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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - townsendcalling - 06-16-2019
(06-16-2019, 12:32 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:forgive me for calling him out when I should be wearing my Navy Blue glasses and adoring his wonderful work.
I think the term you used for a raw 19 year old who has played a handful of NB games ‘an oxygen thief’. Personally I’d prefer to keep that terminology for paedophiles, granny bashers and rapists, not young kids wearing a Carlton jumper who are just starting out.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-16-2019
(06-16-2019, 01:16 PM)townsendcalling link Wrote:I think the term you used for a raw 19 year old who has played a handful of NB games ‘an oxygen thief’. Personally I’d prefer to keep that terminology for paedophiles, granny bashers and rapists, not young kids wearing a Carlton jumper who are just starting out.
Maybe I was a bit harsh with oxygen thief but I get frustrated when players dont chase or give the required minimal effort and think they can slack off...19 year olds still have to chase and provide effort.
His brother Jack provides the role model that Ben should be following....
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - jeza - 06-16-2019
(06-16-2019, 01:48 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Maybe I was a bit harsh with oxygen thief but I get frustrated when players dont chase or give the required minimal effort and think they can slack off...19 year olds still have to chase and provide effort.
His brother Jack provides the role model that Ben should be following....
You must have been a well developed 18 year old in your day.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-16-2019
(06-16-2019, 10:10 PM)jeza link Wrote:You must have been a well developed 18 year old in your day.Ben is 196cm and 87kg, you would think if the much
smaller Sam Walsh can make the effort to chase and tackle senior players then Ben can make a bit of effort to chase some kids
from the burbs around in the twos...
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - Thryleon - 06-17-2019
(06-16-2019, 11:59 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Ben is 196cm and 87kg, you would think if the much
smaller Sam Walsh can make the effort to chase and tackle senior players then Ben can make a bit of effort to chase some kids
from the burbs around in the twos...
With all due respect EB1 I think our expectations requuire a bit of tempering. I agree he isnt doing that well, but a couple of things. 1. Big men take longer to come on. 2. He has shown glimpses of talent, and he seems to be one of those who thinks it will just happen if you are good enough, hence why he went from a potential pick 1, to almost not drafted. 3. Walsh is not your average kid joining the AFL and of his draft year only a couple of had anywhere near the impact he has and most draftees will never even equal his achievement let alone show his attitude. 4. The NB's have a habit of taking chocolates and turning them into boiled lollies for our draftees and AFL players and we might do well to start pumping some much needed resources into Preston if we want that relationship to flourish and continue. Polson has 100% of the correct attitude and even he struggles to show something. Perhaps this level is simply much harder for these kids than we thinkg it is and unless you are supremely talented and prepared to do what it takes, you wont succeed at this level.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-17-2019
(06-17-2019, 12:05 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:With all due respect EB1 I think our expectations requuire a bit of tempering. I agree he isnt doing that well, but a couple of things. 1. Big men take longer to come on. 2. He has shown glimpses of talent, and he seems to be one of those who thinks it will just happen if you are good enough, hence why he went from a potential pick 1, to almost not drafted. 3. Walsh is not your average kid joining the AFL and of his draft year only a couple of had anywhere near the impact he has and most draftees will never even equal his achievement let alone show his attitude. 4. The NB's have a habit of taking chocolates and turning them into boiled lollies for our draftees and AFL players and we might do well to start pumping some much needed resources into Preston if we want that relationship to flourish and continue. Polson has 100% of the correct attitude and even he struggles to show something. Perhaps this level is simply much harder for these kids than we thinkg it is and unless you are supremely talented and prepared to do what it takes, you wont succeed at this level.
Point 2 is my problem with him Thry, he has some talent but plays like it is a birthright rather than hard work that will take him to the next level....I'm only asking for him to run and chase not to take mark of the year every week or be BOG. Big blokes do take longer but you look his brother Jack and his game is all about doing the basics and giving 100% and thats why I like him in the senior team, not a gifted athlete like his brother but Jack tries , plays for the jumper, gives effort and thats all I ask for. Matt Owies gets better each week and plays with some intensity and spirit...Ben needs to do similar.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - Thryleon - 06-17-2019
^^ I don't disagree with you EB. It is half expected though. He isn't the first, and wont be the last. In fact, brother Jack might be the way he is because of brother Ben. Less talent, more determination. Anyway, we will see. First year players get a bit of a reprieve for mine simply because there is a massive culture shock and playing at our footy club appears to be a burden that weighs heavily on better players.
Speaking of which, I understand that lachie O'brien is a youngster and you review youngsters too harshly at your peril, but have a look at what an independant scribe says about him.
https://themongrelpunt.com/afl/2019/06/13/gbudogsblues
Quote:PS GOING MISSING
Sam Petrevski-Seton is a smooth mover, and when he gets the ball in hand, he can look like a million bucks.
So, where was he in the first half tonight? Six touches running through the midfield is about as bad as it gets in a half of footy. No hard tag. No one giving him special attention – he just could not get near it.
For mine, this bloke, for all his talent and all his ability, goes missing in games way too often. Bundle him in with Paddy Dow if you like, but I actually rate SPS higher. He had 35 touches in Round Five, and fast forward eight weeks, he can go virtually unsighted for an entire half of footy?
He is now 55 games into his career. Carlton are waiting for someone to leap out of the box in the midfield and provide a spark. Sam Walsh will provide a steady, solid hand, but they need someone explosive. It should be SPS. It could be Zac Fisher. It definitely won’t be Lachie O’Brien – he’s a spud and if you argue against that, I think you run the risk of exposing your footy ignorance. Watch him duck his head in a marking contest on the lead in the second quarter inside 50. Unnatural forward, unnatural midfielder.
People talk about the Blues building, or the Blues coming, or smelling what the Blues are cooking (my favourite), but unless SPS is prominent more often than he goes missing, it probably isn’t going to happen. At some point the distance between a 35 disposal whacking and an 18 disposal cameo has to close, and it has to be sooner rather than later for the Blues to improve.
I can handle form slumps when they have shown ability. SPS is showing waivering form, and Dow is having second year blues. I wrote off any expectations of him having a good year about 4 or 5 weeks ago when he was going backwards form wise, and that is continuing. He will be better next year, that I know because his first season showed he had more in him. This is why we haven't been better this year. In fact, the kids are playing about as well as we can hope given how much load they have to carry. There are others around the traps that have shown more, and are delivering less. Its the senior players that are really going missing when we need them. We seem to lack fulll game footballers at the moment, and its a real problem.
In fact Teague has got ahead of himself already. Jack Silvagni has been one of the few 4 quarter players we have had this season and dropping him last week sends entirely the wrong message to the playing group.
Finally does anyone know what Ed Curnow has done to himself and if he will be available next week? Rumour has it he went off in the final quarter and didnt come back on.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-17-2019
(06-17-2019, 12:30 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:^^ I don't disagree with you EB. It is half expected though. He isn't the first, and wont be the last. In fact, brother Jack might be the way he is because of brother Ben. Less talent, more determination. Anyway, we will see. First year players get a bit of a reprieve for mine simply because there is a massive culture shock and playing at our footy club appears to be a burden that weighs heavily on better players.
Speaking of which, I understand that lachie O'brien is a youngster and you review youngsters too harshly at your peril, but have a look at what an independant scribe says about him.
https://themongrelpunt.com/afl/2019/06/13/gbudogsblues
I can handle form slumps when they have shown ability. SPS is showing waivering form, and Dow is having second year blues. I wrote off any expectations of him having a good year about 4 or 5 weeks ago when he was going backwards form wise, and that is continuing. He will be better next year, that I know because his first season showed he had more in him. This is why we haven't been better this year. In fact, the kids are playing about as well as we can hope given how much load they have to carry. There are others around the traps that have shown more, and are delivering less. Its the senior players that are really going missing when we need them. We seem to lack fulll game footballers at the moment, and its a real problem.
In fact Teague has got ahead of himself already. Jack Silvagni has been one of the few 4 quarter players we have had this season and dropping him last week sends entirely the wrong message to the playing group.
Finally does anyone know what Ed Curnow has done to himself and if he will be available next week? Rumour has it he went off in the final quarter and didnt come back on.
Thry, I wouldnt spend my time posting about Ben if I didnt think he had some ability but was going to waste it , he can make it if he applies himself like his brother.
SPS, Fisher and Dow are probably not genuine inside heavy contested mids but are being forced to play there....SPS should be our Shaun Burgoyne who gives us the silk and flair.
Fisher is a good contested player who can win his own ball but wont ever be big enough to play on the 190cm mids of which the Dogs had three on the weekend.
Dow is a decent size but is a burst player who does his best work carrying the ball and breaking the lines, I really like Paddy but again he is being forced to play a heavy contested game at times vs
bigger players and its not really his game. We need another one or two heavily built mids like a Cunnington or Ellis Yolmen who can help Cripps and allow those other players to do what they do best.
Lachie Obrien has obvious flaws, he isnt a great contested player and if other players are not feeding him the ball he wont have much impact.
Thats ok if he is hitting his targets by foot and doing his job which is to distribute the ball, I have been on his case because his disposal has been poor, 59%DE on the weekend from 16 kicks
isnt a good game IMO and he might struggle for a game when Deluca is fit.
I thought Ed just looked tired, did a great job on the Bont in the 2nd half but was giving away a lot of size and just looked worn down....
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - flyboy77 - 06-17-2019
LOB is simply a waste of a #10 selection.
Major f... up.
He wouldn't get a game at any other AFL Club. Period.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - tonyo - 06-17-2019
(06-17-2019, 02:53 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:LOB is simply a waste of a #10 selection.While I agree he is not worth a #10 (at the moment....) I think there is a lot to work with.
Major f... up.
He wouldn't get a game at any other AFL Club. Period.
Some draft picks are instant winners, others are a slow burn. Over the last two weeks, LOB has looked better because we have been moving the ball faster, and as a run 'n carry, his game style is more suited to faster movement. When we have been using the slow grind method of ball movement, he has been smashed in the clinches and looked out of his depth.
He certainly needs to hit the weights over the next couple of pre-seasons, but I have high hopes that he will become a significant delivery boy for Curnow, McKay et al.