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Re: 2018 Rd 13: Post Game Prattling-Carlton v Fremantle - PaulP - 06-17-2018
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-17/exblues-culture-dig-gets-up-curnows-nose
Personally, I think Rhys might be on to something.
Re: 2018 Rd 13: Post Game Prattling-Carlton v Fremantle - Lods - 06-17-2018
It (the Pagan era)was the start of the rot...but the forces that brought him to the club have an equal share of the blame.
Palmer in his tweet about "culture" may have been closer to the mark than we care to admit.
Some things can be papered over for a time but if enough pressure comes due to lack of progress then the cracks will always resurface.
The problem is.... where do we find the source of the problem because there doesn't seem to be any real consensus.
Re: 2018 Rd 13: Post Game Prattling-Carlton v Fremantle - laj - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 04:24 AM)LP link Wrote:I can't agree about BB.
But I do think he does himself significant harm when he tries to claim we stood up well in the 2nd half, when it's clear to all that Freo went into fuel saving mode! Fans are not dumb, don't blow smoke up their ar5e!
It is dumb! Why go down that path with that game plan.
Agree with the rest though. We aren't gullible.
Re: 2018 Rd 13: Post Game Prattling-Carlton v Fremantle - PaulP - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 05:50 AM)Lods link Wrote:It (the Pagan era)was the start of the rot...but the forces that brought him to the club have an equal share of the blame.
Palmer in his tweet about "culture" may have been closer to the mark than we care to admit.
Some things can be papered over for a time but if enough pressure comes due to lack of progress then the cracks will always resurface.
The problem is.... where do we find the source of the problem because there doesn't seem to be any real consensus.
One starting point would be to look at what has not changed in the last number of years, which to my mind is as follows :
- Andy Mac
- board members
- senior group of players, including Simpson and the 2 No1's.
Everything else in the footy department has changed. And I'd be looking very closely at our medical department as well.
Re: 2018 Rd 13: Post Game Prattling-Carlton v Fremantle - Lods - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 06:05 AM)PaulP link Wrote:One starting point would be to look at what has not changed in the last number of years, which to my mind is as follows :
- Andy Mac
- board members
- senior group of players, including Simpson and the 2 No1's.
Everything else in the footy department has changed. And I'd be looking very closely at our medical department as well.
Yep
Injury management....
.... what about development?
To me that's where we've been poorest...and yes, part of that has been the lack of strong senior influence....but that's not the only reason.
Re: 2018 Rd 13: Post Game Prattling-Carlton v Fremantle - blue4life - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 05:41 AM)capcom link Wrote:I have no time for him either, but he inherited a badly crippled club, a fact he didn't know when he signed on courtesy of the AFL draft sanctions. But when he went after Martyn, that was my last straw. He was never a great coach IMHO
He built North's dominant sides of the 90's virtually from scratch, but in fairness North has been a well administered club with a strong culture for a very long time so he had good support, which was something sadly lacking at Carlton.
By the time he got to Princes Park we were broke, out of the draft with a sub standard and ageing list and a dysfunctional board.
Ratten was coach when we played the Kreuzer Cup, I was there when the cheer squad clapped the players off after the loss, but if we're going to rewrite our recent history we may as well rewrite all of it I guess.
Re: 2018 Rd 13: Post Game Prattling-Carlton v Fremantle - madbluboy - 06-17-2018
Nearly spat my coffee out when I read the line about Gibbs. ;D
Re: 2018 Rd 13: Post Game Prattling-Carlton v Fremantle - laj - 06-17-2018
It would've taken a couple of years for the draft picks to take affect. Even then we landed Simmo, Walker as a PP and Nick Stevens through the PSD. Pagan was past it when he got to Carlton and totally lost the players. Let's not rewrite things too much. Soon as we sacked him we were very competitive the next year and in the finals within 2 years from an absolute basket case.
Re: 2018 Rd 13: Post Game Prattling-Carlton v Fremantle - capcom - 06-17-2018
I wasn't apportioning blame. I know thru an impeccable source that ALL clubs were told not to deal with us with our (assumed) top picks as we were in the AFL gunsights
Re: 2018 Rd 13: Post Game Prattling-Carlton v Fremantle - PaulP - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 06:10 AM)Lods link Wrote:Yep
Injury management....
.... what about development?
To me that's where we've been poorest...and yes, part of that has been the lack of strong senior influence....but that's not the only reason.
Development is one of those words that sounds good, but who really knows what the hell it means ? At any rate, according to the CFC website, we have 4 development coaches, and Barker is head of strategy and high performance. God help us all.