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Re: Where do you think Carlton will finish in 2017? - PaulP - 04-26-2017
(04-26-2017, 02:04 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:"In summing up, it’s the constitution, it’s Mabo, it’s justice, it’s law, it’s the vibe and aah no that’s it, it’s the vibe. I rest my case"
BY DENIS DENUTO "As seen on TV" - The Castle·
Indeed.
Re: Where do you think Carlton will finish in 2017? - blue4life - 04-26-2017
(04-26-2017, 01:57 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I think it's recruiting, development, culture, bad appointments, the board..................
The vibe?
Edit: Didn't see the post from Gointocarlton, great minds think alike.
Re: Where do you think Carlton will finish in 2017? - blue4life - 04-26-2017
(04-26-2017, 01:58 AM)PaulP link Wrote:The only period when we were generally moving in the right direction was 08-12.
There's a bit of Ratten bias there methinks.
Have a close look at our drafting over that period
Re: Where do you think Carlton will finish in 2017? - PaulP - 04-26-2017
(04-26-2017, 03:53 AM)blue4life link Wrote:There's a bit of Ratten bias there methinks.
Have a close look at our drafting over that period
The upward trend was in ladder position, W/L etc. The recruiting was as blah as ever.
Re: Where do you think Carlton will finish in 2017? - blue4life - 04-26-2017
(04-26-2017, 04:00 AM)PaulP link Wrote:The upward trend was in ladder position, W/L etc. The recruiting was as blah as ever.
Pagan won 9 games or something in 2004, in hindsight it was miraculous.
With three number one picks, Judd, Walker, Stevens, Betts, Waite and a few others Ratts was bound to win a few games but it was never going to be sustainable without good recruiting.
Re: Where do you think Carlton will finish in 2017? - PaulP - 04-26-2017
(04-26-2017, 04:11 AM)blue4life link Wrote:Pagan won 9 games or something in 2004, in hindsight it was miraculous.
With three number one picks, Judd, Walker, Stevens, Betts, Waite and a few others Ratts was bound to win a few games but it was never going to be sustainable without good recruiting.
If recruiting is the problem, then why sack the coach ? And that applies equally and fairly whether it's Pagan, Ratts, MM or anyone else.
Re: Where do you think Carlton will finish in 2017? - blue4life - 04-26-2017
(04-26-2017, 04:15 AM)PaulP link Wrote:If recruiting is the problem, then why sack the coach ? And that applies equally and fairly whether it's Pagan, Ratts, MM or anyone else.
Because the members, sponsors and supporters demand it, and the board needs to look as though it's doing something to ensure its own survival.
Re: Where do you think Carlton will finish in 2017? - PaulP - 04-26-2017
(04-26-2017, 04:33 AM)blue4life link Wrote:Because the members, sponsors and supporters demand it, and the board needs to look as though it's doing something to ensure its own survival.
Sorry, I should've been clearer - my question was essentially rhetorical. I know exactly why it happens (not forgetting the media influence). But it's a deplorable state of affairs that invisible men (and a few gals) with deep pockets, many of whom know jack-sh1t about football, should be allowed to get away with it. And our club seems to fall into this trap more than most.
Re: Where do you think Carlton will finish in 2017? - LP - 04-26-2017
(04-26-2017, 04:46 AM)PaulP link Wrote:And our club seems to fall into this trap more than most.
It's an old club, full of old men and their old ways!
But I'm confident it's changing which is why I changed my message signature.
But like a misbehaving high performance car, I can still detect the odd misfire as it accelerates, and I see the old-time mechanic standing on the sidelines with a hammer ready to lightly tap the carburetor or the distributor, even though it's a fuel injected beast with all electronic ignition!
Re: Where do you think Carlton will finish in 2017? - PaulP - 04-26-2017
(04-26-2017, 05:04 AM)LP link Wrote:It's an old club, full of old men and their old ways!
But I'm confident it's changing which is why I changed my message signature.
But like a misbehaving high performance car, I can still detect the odd misfire as it accelerates, and I see the old-time mechanic standing on the sidelines with a hammer ready to lightly tap the carburetor or the distributor, even though it's a fuel injected beast with all electronic ignition!
Hmm, notwithstanding your analogy, I hope the change is in full effect.