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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 06-07-2017
(06-07-2017, 03:08 AM)Mav link Wrote:The middle of a One Nation rally? ;D
Ironically....That's Trump thinkin' ;D
"If you're not with me totally, you're against me" :
That's a shame.
I share many of your concerns about Trump.
I just don't view him through the "Hate Goggles."
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 06-07-2017
Can't you take a joke?
I just built on yours. You didn't see me whining about being called a jester or a clown, or complaining about you trying to throw a blanket over Koutz and me to justify dismissing my views. You might not have noticed that Koutz also tries such dismissive tactics whereas I try to articulate my views to foster debate. But I love your audacity in trying to paint yourself as occupying the sensible centre. You should have been in PR
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 06-07-2017
(06-07-2017, 04:30 AM)Mav link Wrote:Can't you take a joke?
I just built on yours. You didn't see me whining about being called a jester or a clown, or complaining about you trying to throw a blanket over Koutz and me to justify dismissing my views. You might not have noticed that Koutz also tries such dismissive tactics whereas I try to articulate my views to foster debate. But I love your audacity in trying to paint yourself as occupying the sensible centre. You should have been in PR
No, you plonked me in the middle of a One Nation rally... where I felt most uncomfortable. ;D
Sorry
I thought the emoticons conveyed that I wasn't too concerned.
As I've said I largely agree with most of what you write but I suspect we do see Trump in different degrees.
I'm seeing Trump's efforts so far as buffoonish and amateur, but I'm also seeing a bit of an hysterical over-reaction to his ascendancy and questioning of his legitimacy from his opponents that has been apparent even before he took office.
The end result now seems to be a government in paralysis.
But I'm not overly concerned because things will sort themselves out..and I'm not overly concerned about Trump because the checks and balances built into the American system will keep him in line.
We're nearly an eighth of the way through his term and we're still spinning around.
I actually do see myself as very much in the middle of the political spectrum.
My voting at a local level has been pretty much divided over the years.
I followed and admired Obama "before he was a superstar."
I would have preferred Hilary over Trump...but she was weighed, measured and found wanting.
Not all her own fault...but she does have significant responsibility as does her party.
That she couldn't wipe the floor with a candidate as flawed as Trump is a condemnation.
The more you move away from the middle on either side the more 'hate' becomes a factor and if you hate the individual or idea then it does impact on your thinking.
While some individuals and ideas are worthy of condemnation there must also be an understanding of the reasons and causes behind them other than that's just "leftist rubbish" or "redneck thinking."
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - madbluboy - 06-07-2017
What a relief, the islamic council have announced that it wasn't a terrorist attack in Brighton. Our police have nothing to fear.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Thryleon - 06-07-2017
(06-07-2017, 05:20 AM)Lods link Wrote:No, you plonked me in the middle of a One Nation rally... where I felt most uncomfortable. ;D
Sorry
I thought the emoticons conveyed that I wasn't too concerned.
As I've said I largely agree with most of what you write but I suspect we do see Trump in different degrees.
I'm seeing Trump's efforts so far as buffoonish and amateur, but I'm also seeing a bit of an hysterical over-reaction to his ascendancy and questioning of his legitimacy from his opponents that has been apparent even before he took office.
The end result now seems to be a government in paralysis.
But I'm not overly concerned because things will sort themselves out..and I'm not overly concerned about Trump because the checks and balances built into the American system will keep him in line.
We're nearly an eighth of the way through his term and we're still spinning around.
I actually do see myself as very much in the middle of the political spectrum.
My voting at a local level has been pretty much divided over the years.
I followed and admired Obama "before he was a superstar."
I would have preferred Hilary over Trump...but she was weighed, measured and found wanting.
Not all her own fault...but she does have significant responsibility as does her party.
That she couldn't wipe the floor with a candidate as flawed as Trump is a condemnation.
The more you move away from the middle on either side the more 'hate' becomes a factor and if you hate the individual or idea then it does impact on your thinking.
While some individuals and ideas are worthy of condemnation there must also be an understanding of the reasons and causes behind them other than that's just "leftist rubbish" or "redneck thinking."
Finally, someone who understands exactly what I have been trying to state for a while.
The one thing I will state one thing to add.
The more you move over to one side of the spectrum, the more in common you have with someone at the other end of spectrum but driven by different ideologies.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 06-07-2017
Lods, I just knew there was a rational debater inside you waiting to get out ;D
For me, I was always pessimistic that Trump would pivot and act presidential. I also thought he didn't have the character and temperament to do the job. But I wanted to be pleasantly surprised. Unfortunately, my worst fears have been confirmed, if not exceeded.
I didn't reflexively condemn the missile attack on the Syrian airfield and the liberal press didn't either.
If he'd made some decent appointments and left them to do their jobs properly, the criticism would have abated. But he hasn't. He has appointed a climate change denier and enemy of the EPA to head the EPA. Then he allowed that guy, Pruitt, and Bannon to push him into walking away from the Paris accord. He appointed General McMaster as National Security Advisor - a good pick after he made a disastrous one with Flynn. But he certainly hasn't deferred to him. For instance, McMaster was reportedly pressuring Trump to reaffirm the US commitment to Article 5 of the NATO treaty but Bannon was working to remove it.
I will post more later but I have to shoot.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - malo - 06-07-2017
(06-07-2017, 06:15 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Finally, someone who understands exactly what I have been trying to state for a while.
The one thing I will state one thing to add.
The more you move over to one side of the spectrum, the more in common you have with someone at the other end of spectrum but driven by different ideologies.
Haven't bothered with getting involved with this topic deliberately......but that last line Thry.....that is almost a perfect summary in that one line.
The difference between a Socialist Dictator & Facist dictator is .......well, absolutely nothing to those oppressed in such a regime. They are all victims.
Mal.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 06-07-2017
(06-07-2017, 06:15 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Finally, someone who understands exactly what I have been trying to state for a while.
The one thing I will state one thing to add.
The more you move over to one side of the spectrum, the more in common you have with someone at the other end of spectrum but driven by different ideologies.
I was thinking this exact thing the other night while my wife watched The Project, this is exactly why that show has lost it's viewers. It was OK when first started, now it's almost radicalised, the views/editorials offered are ultimately extreme!
There are similar examples on the ABC and all commercial free-to-air stations.
FWIW, it's also how I categorise someone like Andrew Bolt!
They have become what they despise, yet they are oblivious to that fact!
For Trump, he's always said he could shot someone dead in the street and just walk away. His idea of freedom is not mine, Trump's idea of freedom is closer to the Jihadist version!
What about those nuffies on the news using the Brighton siege as a political platform to call for the re-arming of Australia's citizens. Like they have some crystal ball to tell them who's good and who's bad! Feckwits!
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Baggers - 06-07-2017
(06-07-2017, 06:28 AM)malo link Wrote:Haven't bothered with getting involved with this topic deliberately......but that last line Thry.....that is almost a perfect summary in that one line.
The difference between a Socialist Dictator & Facist dictator is .......well, absolutely nothing to those oppressed in such a regime. They are all victims.
Mal.
Bingo! The difference between the far left and the far right - the spelling.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 06-07-2017
(06-07-2017, 05:45 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:What a relief, the islamic council have announced that it wasn't a terrorist attack in Brighton. Our police have nothing to fear.
Yes, when the perpetrator claims to be acting for both ISIL and Al Qaeda there's a fair chance that they're just a drug crazed psychopath.