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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 09-26-2020

Im still of the firm belief it wont make a difference.

Im surprised we haven't had wide spread covid outbreaks across the nation at this stage.  Its only a matter of time IMHO and no procedures or quarantine will stop it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 09-26-2020

(09-26-2020, 03:54 AM)LP link Wrote:Anyone who thinks some political change can resolve the COVID situation is fooling themselves, votes don't stop a virus. Neither does having a fat wallet, just ask Donald Trump's brother!

The terrible situations unfolding in Sweden and the UK is enough evidence of that being too optimistic can be very detrimental, these are the places the COVID naysayers held high as examples of doing it right, and now the very sames regions are sliding into COVID infamy! FFS, the UK just announce £18000 fines ($32000) for quarantine breakers, as here we complain about police handing out $1500 fines locally!

What "terrible situation" in the UK and Sweden?

Positive tests in a low prevalence population are more likely to be false positives than real positives, not to mention a positive test can also be a result of the person having had the virus up to a few months previously....

All that really matters is mortality and that's where fear mongers like you fall flat on their faces.

Cases, in isolation, mean jack.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 09-26-2020

(09-26-2020, 04:38 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:What "terrible situation" in the UK and Sweden?
Positive tests in a low prevalence population are more likely to be false positives than real positives, not to mention a positive test can also be a result of the person having had the virus up to a few months previously....

All that really matters is mortality and that's where fear mongers like you fall flat on their faces.

Cases, in isolation, mean jack.
Testing positive for COVID infection is not the same as testing positive to anti-bodies weeks or months later, that is a mashup of two different tests!

In any case regardless of the numbers tests being false positive is a good thing, the tests are deliberately designed that way it is not a conspiracy! Some might argue the Hippocratic oath requires it, which means it is better to tell someone they might be sick rather than telling them they aren't sick just before they die!

Technically official false positives are expressed as a fraction of all positives, not as a fraction of all tests. Some sources like to mangle the figures, whether you want to think that is accidental due to ignorance or deliberate is really a matter for the reader.

Reporting "The percentage of false positives from all positives" as "the percentage of false positives from all tests" is pretty misleading, they are two vastly different figures. In one case False positives from all tests might be 0.24%, while false positives from all positives might be 8%. Further complicating the reporting is the fact that multiple testing regimes are used, they do not have the same rate of false positive or sensitivity.

The current rate of change in positives for the UK and Sweden is disastrous for them, the derivative of the infection rate curve, dY/dX for the maths people. It's the change in the rate of infection growth. Things are looking bleak in the UK and Sweden, which is why both regions are now talking drastic action with restrictions even far exceeding Victoria's Stage 4!

Deaths lag infections by about 4 to 7 weeks, the shit is going to get real in those regions and the politicians know it which is why they are talking tough now.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - mateinone - 09-26-2020

(09-26-2020, 12:31 AM)mateinone link Wrote:Take this with a grain of salt, because I cannot confirm the voracity of the source, but...
There is talk Tim Pallas will be the leader, possibly by as early as tomorrow, but at the latest next week. With the supposed "word" being that Pallas has the numbers and so Dan will resign citing "family reasons" in a bloodless coup.

I think he has snuffed this one out pretty quickly today

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 09-26-2020

Apparently Martin Foley will take over from Mikakos.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - mateinone - 09-26-2020

Yeah Dan confirmed that.
Btw his handling of Mikakos... I would suggest if she has any dirt at all on Dan, there is a chance this comes back to bite his arse.
Because he treated her with complete disdain. Now okay, she seems to have screwed up royally and I have no issue with her resigning and it seems absolutely correct on the surface, but... Dan could not wash his hands of her any quicker if he tried.
Amazing to see.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 09-26-2020

I wish we could see what is going down in the bureaucracy, but we may never find out!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Lods - 09-26-2020

Sorry,
I'm not seeing the problem in Sweden either....
How is it worse than other countries in that area.
They had an horrific run early in the pandemic...apparently they didn't lock down as hard as other countries.
But their numbers and deaths seem to have tapered off.
Are they getting a second wave worse than other places in Europe?





Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 09-26-2020

(09-26-2020, 08:03 AM)Lods link Wrote:Sorry,
I'm not seeing the problem in Sweden either....
How is it worse than other countries in that area.
They had an horrific run early in the pandemic...apparently they didn't lock down as hard as other countries.
But their numbers and deaths seem to have tapered off.
Are they getting a second wave worse than other places in Europe?


My understanding was that Sweden were not locking down at all.

In fact that were basically ignoring that there even was a pandemic.
If everybody gets it, they don't have a problem.

At least that was their initial plan, i'm not sure if they deviated from it.....but it has merit.....assuming you can't get 'reinfected' and do build up an immunity that is.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 09-26-2020

(09-26-2020, 08:03 AM)Lods link Wrote:Sorry,
I'm not seeing the problem in Sweden either....
How is it worse than other countries in that area.
They had an horrific run early in the pandemic...apparently they didn't lock down as hard as other countries.
But their numbers and deaths seem to have tapered off.
Are they getting a second wave worse than other places in Europe?

No, they're not ... nuthin' like France and Spain at least Lods