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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Professer E - 07-15-2024
That sounds like lazy coaching from our end EB, maybe more than the players need a reminder to sort things out
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - pertz - 07-15-2024
(07-15-2024, 05:46 AM)Baggers link Wrote:With Mrs Baggers away for the week on work, yours truly has indulged himself today in watching a few replays of our games over the past month or so.Your reference to "niceness" is on the money Baggers. David King spoke about it today on SEN. Gerard Whately asked him about the ruck situation at Carlton and he immediately switched the conversation to what he saw as the real issue - we are getting beat up in the contests around the ball. He specifically mentioned firstly Cerra then Walsh. Good, skilful players he said, but can they handle finals like pressure when the opposition come at them physically? I think he has valid points and I think oppo teams now see this as the way to get on top of us. It's not panic stations, but we need to sort it out.
Apart from what has been written about thus far, one other thing stood out - niceness. Watching us against GWS & the Dishlickers was like watching a different side against, say, the Pussycats. In the past coupla weeks, gone is the ruthless hunting, boldness and cold efficiency. Crikey, when the Pussycats came at us (in the 3rd) we came back at them like an avalanche (9gl last qtr). When challenged by the Dishlickers and GWS... meekness, niceness, timidness. Tried, but with no authority or conviction.
Fortunately, and hopefully, all is not lost... shouldn't take much to regain and even build on the boldness, hunting and ruthlessness... and kick the meekness, confusion and niceness to the shizen. Coaches, time for sternness, sharp focus and challenge to our chargers, yourselves, and the MC... player not in good form? - FO. We have it in us.
Now my 2 cents worth on how TDK fits into this. When he is rucking at centre bounces, he becomes another midfielder when the ball hits the ground and an aggressive one at that. We need this.
In summary, we get pushed around too easily, sometimes illegally. We neec to harden the fuck up and stop trying to just play nice football. Crippa is a nice guy, but on the field he has controlled aggression because it means a lot to him. Maybe it just doesn't mean enough to some of the others? In Walsh's defence, it means a lot to him as well but he has to learn to cope with blocks, tags etc.
Get some mongrel back and the rest of our game will click into gear.
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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Baggers - 07-15-2024
Yep, Pertzy. Just watched the King comments. Seems we saw the same glaring issues.
About time we started playing like a Vossy coached side. FFS, don't our coaches realize we're at our best with a ruthless hunting mindset?
You could see the frustration of some of our guys who do have a nice dash of 'mongrel.' Newman was clearly p*ssed off as was Boyd... and mistakes ensued. Ditto Walshy. But way too many others just surrendered to being clacker chasers. Kennedy and Hewett are not the surrendering types. No wonder Crippa didn't want to be chaired off, he must have been really disappointed at his teammates lack of boldness.
On TDK. The bloke is a ruck/mid and is at his best on the ball, which gives him far more impact on the game. When up forward he is just too constrained and becomes a shadow of his potential.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - BluePhantom - 07-15-2024
(07-15-2024, 05:46 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Apart from what has been written about thus far, one other thing stood out - niceness. Watching us against GWS & the Dishlickers was like watching a different side against, say, the Pussycats. In the past coupla weeks, gone is the ruthless hunting, boldness and cold efficiency. Crikey, when the Pussycats came at us (in the 3rd) we came back at them like an avalanche (9gl last qtr). When challenged by the Dishlickers and GWS... meekness, niceness, timidness. Tried, but with no authority or conviction.
Boom! This^^^^
We need to be unsocialable again.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - bratblue - 07-16-2024
Weightman got his knee into Weiters back a few times and the hurt showed in the end. GWS went with the knee to him as well.
If I was coaching against us in a final the instructions would be very clear, knee to Weiters at ever opportunity.
I don't think Weiters did himself any favors when he said that he can bleed easily which is why the corkies seem so painful to him.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - townsendcalling - 07-16-2024
"Good, skilful players he said, but can they handle finals like pressure when the opposition come at them physically? "
Gee Walsh didn't do a bad job last year, in his first finals campaign!!!
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - laj - 07-16-2024
(07-15-2024, 11:14 PM)BluePhantom link Wrote:Boom! This^^^^We tend to become unsociable when we feel like it. Think it will start occurring again as we get closer to finals. when we are fully switched no no-ones beats us as we tend to crumple the opposition. Hard to do all year though. Richmond used to be on an off in that regard but they really become "on "when it mattered. Only need to be just up there and rouadabout at this stage then lift in the run home.
We need to be unsocialable again.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - LP - 07-16-2024
(07-15-2024, 10:36 PM)Baggers date Wrote:About time we started playing like a Vossy coached side. FFS, don't our coaches realize we're at our best with a ruthless hunting mindset?I don't think anybody doubts that, the problem [member=61]Baggers[/member] it might not be sustainable week in and week out.
Fans want a lot of stuff, they want Charlie and / or Harry kicking 10, they want TDK solo dominating, they want Cripps BoG, they want Walsh with 30+ and Weiters with a dozen intercepts in front of a scoreless opponent, but want isn't reality, it's not even reality for one game let alone week after week.
We need a spread of methods, we need some easy wins, we need some gritty wins, we need ways to win with small forwards, and ways to win with KPPs, in summary we need many ways to find a win, but by definition having multiple avenues to victory will mean some weeks certain players are in roles that won't see then in the spotlight.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - PaulP - 07-16-2024
(07-16-2024, 02:37 AM)LP link Wrote:I don't think anybody doubts that, the problem [member=61]Baggers[/member] it might not be sustainable week in and week out.
Fans want a lot of stuff, they want Charlie and / or Harry kicking 10, they want TDK solo dominating, they want Cripps BoG, they want Walsh with 30+ and Weiters with a dozen intercepts in front of a scoreless opponent, but want isn't reality, it's not even reality for one game let alone week after week.
We need a spread of methods, we need some easy wins, we need some gritty wins, we need ways to win with small forwards, and ways to win with KPPs, in summary we need many ways to find a win, but by definition having multiple avenues to victory will mean some weeks certain players are in roles that won't see then in the spotlight.
I agree Pat. That sort of high, manic pressure is impossible to maintain for every quarter of every match. There's a reason why even the very top teams drop a handful of games every year.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - shawny - 07-16-2024
(07-16-2024, 12:12 AM)bratblue link Wrote:Weightman got his knee into Weiters back a few times and the hurt showed in the end. GWS went with the knee to him as well.
If I was coaching against us in a final the instructions would be very clear, knee to Weiters at ever opportunity.
I don't think Weiters did himself any favors when he said that he can bleed easily which is why the corkies seem so painful to him.
I was thinking the exact same thing - many including the media just think our man is unlucky getting these corkies every week. Wish our forwards had some mongrel in them to give the same treatment to opposition interceptors.