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Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - madbluboy - 07-07-2024
(07-07-2024, 10:27 PM)LP link Wrote:He's not a fool, he knows how reactive the AFL can be, and by the AFL I mean Christian's MRO.
I think he's a good guy and would be mortified at the injuries he has caused.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - Baggers - 07-07-2024
(07-07-2024, 10:30 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:I think he's a good guy and would be mortified at the injuries he has caused.
Agree. He's a decent bloke and I bet he's been in personal contact with Petracca to apologise.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - RiverRat - 07-08-2024
(07-07-2024, 12:55 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Weitering doesn't need Lewis Young in the side but he provides us more flexibility if weiters goes down, as the others couldn't stop Hogan yesterday and he's not the biggest forward going around he's just capable.Fair points.
All of it are fair points, but last night we could have played pittonet or Lewis Young instead of orazio, cotters, cincotta, and we likely lose little run out of it. Maybe not both, but I think we need to consider that a bit.
Perhaps we should consider playing Lewis Young as the substitute to provide (break the glass in case of emergency) back-up in case we lose Weitering or TDK during the game. Both were injured at various stages against GWS and our team balance was poor bad they were.
Anyone notice the similarity to the Swans game early in the season; both night games with slippery balls. We dominated both games early then Weiters was injured and we fell in a hole.
Questionable value in having a small forward as substitute.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - PaulP - 07-08-2024
There's going to be a gamble and risk / reward trade offs with most selections outside the first 10/12 players picked, the ones who are essentially automatic ins. Owies brings energy and spark and pace, and it's not unreasonable to think that on a wet track when legs are tiring (after a tough several weeks), that an injection of those qualities is wrong. I can only guess, but I suspect the MC thought we had enough scoring power without him in the 22, and with the benefit of hindsight, that would appear to be right. 104 points is an excellent score in the conditions, and will win you plenty of games of footy in 2024.
There's more than 1 right answer.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - LP - 07-08-2024
(07-07-2024, 10:30 PM)madbluboy date Wrote:I think he's a good guy and would be mortified at the injuries he has caused.Yes, I agree, I wasn't implying he's dastardly character, just that the media screaming about raised knees in contests is loud at the moment.
fwiw; I doubt the AFL will be stupid enough to ban lifting the knee in marking contests, for the reasons [member=906]Lods[/member] has pointed out you'd basically put an end to the bulk of speccies.
btw; For me the more dangerous act is the Hogan style kick out, if that gets a player low enough in the back it is basically setting somebody up to be tunnelled falling flat on their back from a height. The knee in the marking contest usually forces the opponent to tip forwards.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - DJC - 07-08-2024
(07-07-2024, 10:30 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:I think he's a good guy and would be mortified at the injuries he has caused.
Absolutely!
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - DJC - 07-08-2024
Hindsight is handy but I would have had Pitto, Hewett and Owies in the 22 for Cotters, O Hollands and Fantasia.
Briggs needs a bullocking opponent crashing into him to reduce his influence and the absence of De Koning and the hobbling Weiters wouldn't have been so critical.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - LP - 07-08-2024
(07-08-2024, 02:51 AM)DJC date Wrote:Hindsight is handy but I would have had Pitto, Hewett and Owies in the 22 for Cotters, O Hollands and Fantasia.For me it's not so much about whether Weiters and TDK were effective after being injured, I think they did OK given the circumstance, but you could see even when we got the run on mid way through the 1st Qtr that GWS was gathering momentum, they just wasted opportunities and we made the most of them.
Briggs needs a bullocking opponent crashing into him to reduce his influence and the absence of De Koning and the hobbling Weiters wouldn't have been so critical.
After TDK and Weiters worked their way back into the game, it was from a starting point too far back, I thought the signs were better late in the 3rd, but GWS were running down hill and we were trying to slam on the brakes.
Don't give the opposition a millimetre, not even for a split second, if you do then you will eventually regret it. Given our history of close games in recent seasons we should know this better than most.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - DJC - 07-08-2024
(07-08-2024, 02:58 AM)LP link Wrote:For me it's not so much about whether Weiters and TDK were effective after being injured, I think they did OK given the circumstance, but you could see even when we got the run on mid way through the 1st Qtr that GWS was gathering momentum, they just wasted opportunities and we made the most of them.
After TDK and Weiters worked their way back into the game, it was from a starting point too far back, I thought the signs were better late in the 3rd, but GWS were running down hill and we were trying to slam on the brakes.
Don't give the opposition a millimetre, not even for a split second, if you do then you will eventually regret it. Given our history of close games in recent seasons we should know this better than most.
Weiters was obviously restricted in his movements and was reduced to just a very good defender. However, he normally plays the entire game and was reduced to only 87% game time. In addition, McGovern was off receiving treatment for a significant period. We can cover McGovern but struggle to cover Weiters if he's off the ground or a touch off his game.
De Koning was fine when he came back after having his ankle strapped and bleeding stopped and he wasn't off the ground for much longer than his usual spells. However, the timing was awkward and gave GWS a sniff.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - madbluboy - 07-08-2024
Weitering wasn't even playing on Hogan at the start, not sure how they thought Kemp could handle him.