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Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne - madbluboy - 08-16-2023
I'm sure Melbourne wish a few of their forwards got almost marks that stopped Weitering, Kemp and Newman from intercepting.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne - kruddler - 08-16-2023
(08-16-2023, 08:16 AM)DJC link Wrote:The Acres kick wasn’t intended to go where it did. Kemp spoke about kicks down the corridor not being part of the plan and that kick went as high as it went long. I don’t like the term but it was a dump (or dumb) kick that could have cost us the game.
That was the mark the King didn’t hold but it was an incredible effort for him to get to the contest and stop Hibberd taking the mark.
OK, we are talking about different kicks.
Acres had one that sprayed into the middle.
Acres also had one that went long down the line that TDK got a fist on. May have been just outside the last 2 minutes.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne - DJC - 08-16-2023
(08-16-2023, 09:40 AM)kruddler link Wrote:OK, we are talking about different kicks.
Acres had one that sprayed into the middle.
Acres also had one that went long down the line that TDK got a fist on. May have been just outside the last 2 minutes.
Acres’ kick down the line was the one that De Koning made up 20m to effect the spoil and get the ball out of bounds. That’s the first contest I referred to.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne - northernblue - 08-16-2023
(08-16-2023, 12:33 AM)DJC link Wrote:https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?action=dlattach;sa=tmpattach;attach=post_tmp_324_2c0d5fa5892d09ebf4556ad080a796c5;topic=6539
That’s one of his efforts that I commended, one of those non stats that add up to be critical to success.
I think earlier this year it wouldn’t have happened…
Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne - LP - 08-16-2023
(08-16-2023, 01:12 PM)northernblue date Wrote:That’s one of his efforts that I commended, one of those non stats that add up to be critical to success.It probably wouldn't have happened when the ruck is a solo because late in games they run out of legs, and no a D-Grade relief doing 5 minutes here or there is not the same as having a 4-qtr fulltime 1st ruck partner.
I think earlier this year it wouldn’t have happened…
It's the combination of rucks that compliment each other that is providing the flexibility, there is no pressure for one player to be all over the ground for the bulk of the match, they can setup and rotate in a way that best suits them and get the time on the bench needed to rest.
Some fans talk about Pitto being off the ground as a sign of a negative, it isn't, it's the rotation that allows Pitto to keep up with a bloke like Gawn, if Pitto had to stay out there with Gawn he'd be cooked, it's also the rotation that allows TDK to run deep right to the very end of the game.
Also, perhaps a bigger plus, we no longer have a single point of failure.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne - LordLucifer - 08-17-2023
(08-14-2023, 12:32 AM)LP link Wrote:As a Blues fan, we should be use to listening to and watching broadcasts where the bulk of the commentary is against us, anyone who watched the launch of the new book documenting the 70s would confirm that when the media took Balme's perspective over Southby, ask [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member] and [member=906]Lods[/member] what they think of Balme! ;o
Don't start me on Balme !!!
He is obviously a very good adminstrator in his later years but he was one of the dirtiest pricks to ever play the game in the 70's. When he took out Big Nick every Carlton fan went nuts, they nearly jumped the fence when he cleaned up Southby. I was a young lad back then but it was incidents like those that truly galvanised the Cartlon throng and turned them into a major force who insisted we win mega premierships as a payback.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne - DJC - 08-17-2023
(08-17-2023, 01:07 AM)LordLucifer link Wrote:Don't start me on Balme !!!
He is obviously a very good adminstrator in his later years but he was one of the dirtiest pricks to ever play the game in the 70's. When he took out Big Nick every Carlton fan went nuts, they nearly jumped the fence when he cleaned up Southby. I was a young lad back then but it was incidents like those that truly galvanised the Cartlon throng and turned them into a major force who insisted we win mega premierships as a payback.
Lawrie Fowler took out Big Nick.
That's the only time I've ever witnessed an MCG crowd in stunned silence.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne - LP - 08-17-2023
(08-17-2023, 01:07 AM)LordLucifer date Wrote:Don't start me on Balme !!!Mal Brown says hello!
He is obviously a very good adminstrator in his later years but he was one of the dirtiest pricks to ever play the game in the 70's.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne - kruddler - 08-17-2023
(08-16-2023, 10:10 PM)LP link Wrote:It probably wouldn't have happened when the ruck is a solo because late in games they run out of legs, and no a D-Grade relief doing 5 minutes here or there is not the same as having a 4-qtr fulltime 1st ruck partner.
It's the combination of rucks that compliment each other that is providing the flexibility, there is no pressure for one player to be all over the ground for the bulk of the match, they can setup and rotate in a way that best suits them and get the time on the bench needed to rest.
Some fans talk about Pitto being off the ground as a sign of a negative, it isn't, it's the rotation that allows Pitto to keep up with a bloke like Gawn, if Pitto had to stay out there with Gawn he'd be cooked, it's also the rotation that allows TDK to run deep right to the very end of the game.
Also, perhaps a bigger plus, we no longer have a single point of failure.
In terms of ruckwork, in terms of keeping rucks fresh....no, of course its not a negative.
However, in terms of the rest of the team, its a negative.
If you want to keep ruckwork even fresher, have 4 of them on the bench. Your ruckwork will imrpove dramatically and Gawn will never be able to keep up. However, the trade off is that the rest of the team has to pick up the slack. Whether its 4 rucks, or 2 rucks, the rest of the team has to compensate for that luxury.
Every man and his dog tells us that the ruckwork itself means little to the overall contest of the game......but at the same time they want to add 2 of them? Now either its important or its not? If its not, why do you need 2??
Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne - LP - 08-17-2023
(08-17-2023, 06:47 AM)kruddler date Wrote:However, in terms of the rest of the team, its a negative.It's only a negative if the 1st ruck on the field can't go with him, otherwise it's just another man on man match up and has no penalty to the rest of the team.
When one 1st ruck starts running off others, it's a big issue, because others have to start minding extra numbers and they fatigue.