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Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - madbluboy - 05-25-2023
(05-25-2023, 09:23 AM)DJC link Wrote:SOS doesn’t like to admit that he got it wrong ?
Dow may have had 40 touches in the VFL last week but he had minimal impact on the game.
He will fit right in with Cripps and co.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - PaulP - 05-25-2023
http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/forecasts/sydney.shtml
Weather forecast for Sydney.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - LP - 05-25-2023
(05-25-2023, 10:03 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:He will fit right in with Cripps and co.That not quite fair, they have a high impact, Cripps in particular, but in terms of applying defensive pressure they are limited by their available pace.
I'm surprised we chopped SoJ and not Motlop, for me SoJ can play Motlop's role but Motlop cannot play SoJ role.
Rather than have SoJ play as a lead-up marking target I'd have asked him to hunt stoppages and contests as a defensive forward. But he has to be prepared to tackle to hurt players which might mean a week off occasionally.
For me, other than Harry or Charlie, Owies or Kennedy are the next best lead-up forward targets.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - LordLucifer - 05-25-2023
(05-25-2023, 09:22 PM)PaulP link Wrote:http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/forecasts/sydney.shtml
Weather forecast for Sydney.
You could have just asked me .....
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - Baggers - 05-26-2023
(05-25-2023, 09:52 PM)LP link Wrote:That not quite fair, they have a high impact, Cripps in particular, but in terms of applying defensive pressure they are limited by their available pace.
I'm surprised we chopped SoJ and not Motlop, for me SoJ can play Motlop's role but Motlop cannot play SoJ role.
Rather than have SoJ play as a lead-up marking target I'd have asked him to hunt stoppages and contests as a defensive forward. But he has to be prepared to tackle to hurt players which might mean a week off occasionally.
For me, other than Harry or Charlie, Owies or Kennedy are the next best lead-up forward targets.
JSOS is way too slow to be a small forward, defenders would be running off him... big time.
TDK for JSOS is very logical. You feel for JSOS, he's kind of in no man's land. He's not really a terrific 3rd tall... not a Breust or Gunston, or a Fritsch and so on. Too slow for defence as well. He does have a great footy IQ and relentless desire/effort. If we didn't have a glut of inside mids, that'd be his position. Sadly, JSOS may well do well elsewhere... as an inside mid.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - Lods - 05-26-2023
(05-26-2023, 12:14 AM)Baggers link Wrote:JSOS is way too slow to be a small forward, defenders would be running off him... big time.
TDK for JSOS is very logical. You feel for JSOS, he's kind of in no man's land. He's not really a terrific 3rd tall... not a Breust or Gunston, or a Fritsch and so on. Too slow for defence as well. He does have a great footy IQ and relentless desire/effort. If we didn't have a glut of inside mids, that'd be his position. Sadly, JSOS may well do well elsewhere... as an inside mid.
He's been used as 'cannon fodder' for the last couple of years.
I can understand the argument for playing him as a second ruck, and the ability to have an option for an extra mid.
But the downside to that strategy is the toll on takes on Jack.
He won't complain of course.
He'll put his head down and give a 100% of his ability....limited though it is, to some extent, compared to other more talented players.
He can't settle into a role or position, he's just used as a workhorse...but realistically that is probably what is giving him game time.
I suspect he'll be the sub tonight.
He offers that versatility.
But if he isn't I hope a couple of weeks in the VFL with a solid well defined role freshens him up.
He's still a fringe player, but if the only way he gets a game is as a back-up ruckman, a move at season's end may be his best career option.
Not at St Kilda...that would be a huge mistake for both father and son.
I think he'd go well at a team like the Gold Coast or GWS...or even down the track with the new Tasmanian side (should it ever get past the planning stage)
Away from the scrutiny it might be good for player or club.
They'd benefit from a player who's prepared to sacrifice and do the hard stuff for the benefit of the side...it would add a bit of positive culture.
Just at the moment his future is a bit in limbo.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - Baggers - 05-26-2023
Many of us understand that discussions re JSOS and his place in the club being under scrutiny might be somewhat annoying. Afterall, he comes from Bluebagger royalty. But... if we imagine his name is Cyril McGillacutty, we can be more objective, and success demands objectivity.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - BluePhantom - 05-26-2023
There are a few names that are royalty at Princes Park and the thought of SOJ running around in other colours doesn't thrill me what so ever. I'm still getting over Jezza and more recently Waite leaving us.
SOJ plays his best ball as the 3rd tall in the fwd line. And our fwd line operates better when he is there because he has to attract a decent backman. Running him around as a ruckman does his game no benefit.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - LordLucifer - 05-26-2023
(05-26-2023, 01:35 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Many of us understand that discussions re JSOS and his place in the club being under scrutiny might be somewhat annoying. Afterall, he comes from Bluebagger royalty. But... if we imagine his name is Cyril McGillacutty, we can be more objective, and success demands objectivity.
Correct ........... if his name was Jack Shiitt we would be looking at him through a completely different lens.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - Baggers - 05-26-2023
(05-26-2023, 02:09 AM)LordLucifer link Wrote:Correct ........... if his name was Jack Shiitt we would be looking at him through a completely different lens.
A sad reality.