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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - blueboys_1 - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 02:37 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Wow! 16,107 odd players have played VFL/AFL football, 95 have made the 300 game milestone. Duds dont play that many and its a significant milestone every players sets out to achieve. He has been a loyal servant of the club and I for one care as would most if not every one of his team mates and coaches. We aren't going to make the 8 IMO.
They certainly don't. No club has left a player on 298 or 299 games. They have been nursed to 300. He deserves it even if he is past his prime. Had the option to go somewhere else before his last contract and chose to stay, showing loyalty to the club. And now the club is showing it to him. Enough said.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - keogh - 08-02-2021
The club is always bigger than the individual
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - Thryleon - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 03:44 AM)keogh link Wrote:The club is always bigger than the individual
True, but the culture of the club is created by how they treat individuals. This is enough reason not to sack Teague now to go with getting Murphy to 300 games.
NOTE: The decisions from now until end of year havent cost us finals. There have been a few games that have cost us finals, and getting Murphy to 300 games isnt going to be the only reason we dont make it (even if it is a reason).
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - blueboys_1 - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 03:47 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:True, but the culture of the club is created by how they treat individuals. This is enough reason not to sack Teague now to go with getting Murphy to 300 games.
NOTE: The decisions from now until end of year havent cost us finals. There have been a few games that have cost us finals, and getting Murphy to 300 games isnt going to be the only reason we dont make it (even if it is a reason).
Here Here.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - jeza - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 12:05 AM)LP link Wrote:Our making finals is really totally dependant on others losing, we are unlikely to bridge the percentage gap so ending up on the same number of wins isn't good enough. I think Freo are in prime position.
The other problem is that some of the teams above us that are vying for the last spot play each other, so some of those above are guaranteed one win and excluding Freo they all have better percentages.
If we do a Melbourne and smash GC we might get enough of a percentage boost to put us closer, but I'd assert if we have to us and injury sub in the process it's not going to happen. Plus at this stage are we going to have a ruck?
What do we stand for as a club? The individual or the group? Playing Murphy in spite of his inability to perform just so he can get to 300 is definitely putting the individual before the club given we're sitting 1 win outside the 8 with 3 to play.
That isn't even a question for me. You never want to put the individual before the club. It may mean Murphy cuts up about it but who cares? If he does that just indicates he wasn't much of a person to begin with.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - jeza - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 03:47 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:NOTE: The decisions from now until end of year havent cost us finals. There have been a few games that have cost us finals
So don't worry about making finals then. 2021 is done as we lost some games earlier in the year?
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - jeza - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 03:39 AM)blueboys_1 link Wrote:They certainly don't. No club has left a player on 298 or 299 games. They have been nursed to 300. He deserves it even if he is past his prime. Had the option to go somewhere else before his last contract and chose to stay, showing loyalty to the club. And now the club is showing it to him. Enough said.
If Murphy is picked to play in anything other than VFL this weekend it will be a disgrace to this club.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - capcom - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 04:45 AM)jeza link Wrote:If Murphy is picked to play in anything other than VFL this weekend it will be a disgrace to this club.
And a reminder to some ... Percy Jones was left stranded on 249 games.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - Thryleon - 08-02-2021
^^ The point being, getting Murphy to 300 games isn't going to cost us finals any more than any other factor this season.
Look, I too am thinking that we should be playing to win every week, but it isnt a zero sum game here, where we play Murphy and we dont give ourselves maximum opportunity to win. we gifted games to draft picks for years, and now that we have broken Murphy beyond repair, we are wondering if we should get him to 300 games.
perhaps this is what will make the difference to getting Sam Walsh at market rate, than resigning him above market rate. We do the right things by the players, and they will do the right things by us too.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - Gointocarlton - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 04:45 AM)jeza link Wrote:If Murphy is picked to play in anything other than VFL this weekend it will be a disgrace to this club.In your opinion, what do you think his team mates think? Axe him now or get him over the line?