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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - blueboys_1 - 07-25-2021
(07-24-2021, 12:16 PM)31Tommys_barber link Wrote:Don’t know what all the suprise doom and gloom is about, we had no key forwards against Tarrant and McKay who held out the West Coast forward line in Perth recently, trying to use Cripps or Kennedy as forwards was only robbing Peter to pay Paul admittedly delivery wasn’t very good but the blokes who have been clearing the way for Walsh etc to deliver we’re standing in the forward line waiting for it. TDK was given a lesson by a bloke who has been one of the best ruckman in the league for nearly 10 he’s crafty,strong and a great tap ruck and has toweled up many a athletic opponent in his time. He tapped it to Cunnington on of the real good clearance mid fielders and a bull. Our bull was trying to play full forward. Larkey had a day out but is a good developing FF who enjoyed having Cunnington and Anderson kicking it to him.
They were able to play a game style they have been building and started to do well with chalking up a victory over the Eagles in Perth and a draw against Giants. We were trying to play a game foreign to us and held on in the first half but then the wheels fell off and we completely lost our way. No team can absorb the injuries we had for this game especially to key forwards one or two of McKay Charlie Gov Casboult even McDonald would have helped Pittonet or Casboult and TDK rucking allowing Silvagni to be #3 tall forward and moving Cripps and Kennedy back to the midfield..
As for Murphy those on here sh…tcanning him have short memories of someone who has served this club with distinction through some bloody tough years hoping we would improve enough for a flag shot in time for him to be part of it not p..ssing off to Geelong only to be let down by those in the background recruiting poorly and appointing coaches. One who tore our heart out by selfishness then one who took us back to square one starting over. He stuck around to give some experience it would be an honour to have him as a 300 game Carlton player and he deserves to be given those games that is how you build club culture. It’s hard enough to play one game but someone like Murphy has played nearly 300 and doesn’t deserve to be criticised by losers on here who haven’t had the talent or guts to play 1
Great post Tommy. I tip my hat to you.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - Lods - 07-25-2021
'Injuries are no excuse' is a bit of a cliche that's thrown around.
If you think about it that makes absolutely no sense at all.
Injuries are an excuse, as well as a reason.
They destroy your structures and plans and throw an extra burden and responsibility on the players remaining.
They result in players being played in unfamiliar roles that sometimes don't suit them at all (Silvagni in the ruck, Cripps at FF).
Injuries to key personnel during the game can be extremely disruptive as there is usually no immediate fix for them.
Injuries have been responsible for the demise of at least two of our coaches over the last twenty years and may be about to claim a third.
Earlier in the season there was this theory floating that once we got some players back from injury we'd be in much better shape.
But you really didn't have to be Nostradamus to realise that a more likely scenario would be that we would see further significant injuries, some season ending.
Added to that with the extra burden placed on players, we were always going to see more of the niggly one or two week injuries and players carrying injuries into and through games.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - PaulP - 07-25-2021
Nice post Lods. it as as you say, a bit of a cliche, but IMO also involves a small amount of psychological trickery, since if the players are aware that there is a reduced chance of winning because of injury, the temptation is there to drop off ever so slightly, knowing that if you don't win, you have an "excuse" ready to go. It's also a good and necessary statement for the fans. But i don't think it really works. The players know injuries make a difference, we know it makes a difference, the coaches know - I think it just sets up a kind of cognitive dissonance in everyone's mind.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - Baggers - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 04:52 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Baggers assuming your comments are based on our performance this year, I ask is Teaguey limited or do we overrate many on our list?
I suspect it is plenty of both.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - cookie2 - 07-25-2021
Injuries no doubt can impact the result of a game but shouldn’t the players who are sent out to represent a club always try their darnedest by putting in 100% effort? Surely they would at least want to try a keep their spots in the face of injured players coming back in when fit? Any player who is not prepared to do that would perhaps justifiably be regarded as having an air of entitlement? Or perhaps some feel that it doesn’t matter how hard they try their efforts aren’t always fully appreciated?
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - sandsmere - 07-25-2021
(07-24-2021, 12:16 PM)31Tommys_barber link Wrote:Don’t know what all the suprise doom and gloom is about, we had no key forwards against Tarrant and McKay who held out the West Coast forward line in Perth recently, trying to use Cripps or Kennedy as forwards was only robbing Peter to pay Paul admittedly delivery wasn’t very good but the blokes who have been clearing the way for Walsh etc to deliver we’re standing in the forward line waiting for it. TDK was given a lesson by a bloke who has been one of the best ruckman in the league for nearly 10 he’s crafty,strong and a great tap ruck and has toweled up many a athletic opponent in his time. He tapped it to Cunnington on of the real good clearance mid fielders and a bull. Our bull was trying to play full forward. Larkey had a day out but is a good developing FF who enjoyed having Cunnington and Anderson kicking it to him.
They were able to play a game style they have been building and started to do well with chalking up a victory over the Eagles in Perth and a draw against Giants. We were trying to play a game foreign to us and held on in the first half but then the wheels fell off and we completely lost our way. No team can absorb the injuries we had for this game especially to key forwards one or two of McKay Charlie Gov Casboult even McDonald would have helped Pittonet or Casboult and TDK rucking allowing Silvagni to be #3 tall forward and moving Cripps and Kennedy back to the midfield..
As for Murphy those on here sh…tcanning him have short memories of someone who has served this club with distinction through some bloody tough years hoping we would improve enough for a flag shot in time for him to be part of it not p..ssing off to Geelong only to be let down by those in the background recruiting poorly and appointing coaches. One who tore our heart out by selfishness then one who took us back to square one starting over. He stuck around to give some experience it would be an honour to have him as a 300 game Carlton player and he deserves to be given those games that is how you build club culture. It’s hard enough to play one game but someone like Murphy has played nearly 300 and doesn’t deserve to be criticised by losers on here who haven’t had the talent or guts to play 1
Excellent Post.
Thanks Tommy.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - Lods - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 06:11 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Injuries no doubt can impact the result of a game but shouldn’t the players who are sent out to represent a club always try their darnedest by putting in 100% effort? Surely they would at least want to try a keep their spots in the face of injured players coming back in when fit? Any player who is not prepared to do that would perhaps justifiably be regarded as having an air of entitlement? Or perhaps some feel that it doesn’t matter how hard they try their efforts aren’t always fully appreciated?
Certainly effort and attitude are big factors but it's part of a bigger picture.
If extra demands are put on a playing group because of injury then some will buckle under the weight sooner or later. As that happens the greater demands shift to other, stronger players who are also eventually worn down until like a dam it collapses.
There's no one real reason for a performance like yesterday. It's a combination of a lot of variables.
Effort and attitude is one, injury another.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - cookie2 - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 06:37 AM)Lods link Wrote:Certainly effort and attitude are big factors but it's part of a bigger picture.
If extra demands are put on a playing group because of injury then some will buckle under the weight sooner or later. As that happens the greater demands shift to other, stronger players who are also eventually worn down until like a dam it collapses.
There's no one real reason for a performance like yesterday. It's a combination of a lot of variables.
Effort and attitude is one, injury another.
Maybe we need more of the later-buckling types.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - LoveNavy - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 05:58 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Nice post Lods. it as as you say, a bit of a cliche, but IMO also involves a small amount of psychological trickery, since if the players are aware that there is a reduced chance of winning because of injury, the temptation is there to drop off ever so slightly, knowing that if you don't win, you have an "excuse" ready to go. It's also a good and necessary statement for the fans. But i don't think it really works. The players know injuries make a difference, we know it makes a difference, the coaches know - I think it just sets up a kind of cognitive dissonance in everyone's mind.
Nice post Paul
A good segway into the mental attributes of individuals (i.e. mental toughness), which is shown to provide an edge. Other factors being equal (talent, fitness, deveopment, leadership, cohesion, game plan, resources...) it can be the final piece of the success puzzle. Those with high mental toughness tend to perform consistently in the face of everyday challenges and adversity. It's also an attribute that can be assessed and developed. Not the panacea in sport, but definitely a contributor to success.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - Spanner_smf2_import2 - 07-25-2021
(07-24-2021, 12:16 PM)31Tommys_barber link Wrote:As for Murphy those on here sh…tcanning him have short memories of someone who has served this club with distinction through some bloody tough years...He stuck around to give some experience it would be an honour to have him as a 300 game Carlton player and he deserves to be given those games that is how you build club culture. It’s hard enough to play one game but someone like Murphy has played nearly 300 and doesn’t deserve to be criticised by losers on here who haven’t had the talent or guts to play 1My God! Talk about rewriting history. He is part of the issue we are where we are. His contribution, especially over the past 3-4 yeas have been nothing short of deplorable for a supposed "senior" player.
He is the quintessential definition of a player that if things aren't going his way he offers nothing to turn the tide. Just accepts the outcome and meanders around the field with faux efforts. His tackling is simply another level of ineptness that needs to be seen to be believed as to how bad it actually is...
Don't come on here and say everyone who calls him on it that they don't appreciate his contribution. We do, it's just his contribution is so bad it's not even VFA levels and so we call him on it.
If he did play the levels you claim he does do you think anyone would say anything?.... Yeah, didn't think so....