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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - Gointocarlton - 05-12-2019
(05-12-2019, 01:11 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Agree...he dropped the cliches and spoke from the heart a bit more and you could tell he is disappointed for the fans.And I think all the pressers have been premeditated in that the same consistent message was being delivered during the first three years. Now that can be criticised all it likes, but the strategy was sound in my opinion. Say the same thing over and over, stay united in that message, give away little w.r.t strategy and stay the course. Compared to the disjointed messages from the past out of our club, this has been refreshing, for me at least. Now we are starting to see some emotion come out of the coach. When you are so close, the losses really hurt. From the President, to the boot studder and to the rank and file supporter. Everyones resolve and determination must be upped now, the wins will only be sweeter. Its interesting actually, those in the media backing us were all Carlton supporters as kids who played for other clubs. Nafe Brown, Dunstall, Mooney to name a few. Cornes? He is just a kent who I have sero time for.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - Gointocarlton - 05-12-2019
(05-12-2019, 01:11 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Agree...he dropped the cliches and spoke from the heart a bit more and you could tell he is disappointed for the fans.I really get the "lets not talk about the positives now as we have just lost" thing. Its a bit like being a supporter, I wanted to smash the TV yesterday, today I see a different perspective that is less emotional. Let me be clear, I DO NOT ACCEPT LOSSES AND I DO NOT MAKE EXCUSES. WE MUST RECOGNISE AND RECTIFY THE REASONS FOR THE LOSSES PRONTO!!
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-12-2019
(05-12-2019, 01:31 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I really get the "lets not talk about the positives now as we have just lost" thing. Its a bit like being a supporter, I wanted to smash the TV yesterday, today I see a different perspective that is less emotional. Let me be clear, I DO NOT ACCEPT LOSSES AND I DO NOT MAKE EXCUSES. WE MUST RECOGNISE AND RECTIFY THE REASONS FOR THE LOSSES PRONTO!!
x2...his reasoning why we lost was sound and given the disappointment it was one of his best presser's, Cornes and crew need fodder to chew on for the audience and when you are on the bottom
you are the fodder...beat the Saints and Bombers in two weeks time and he will have moved on to another club and be singing our praises.
Bit more shocked with Lloyd who has his brother at the club and has been a bit more circumspect with his criticism this season and of course shares a desk with Chris Judd on FC.
Never liked Lloyd and am no fan of his brother at the club either to be honest...
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - Baggers - 05-12-2019
(05-12-2019, 12:55 AM)PaulP link Wrote:The competition is fierce, but Cornes would have to be the pits as far as AFL media is concerned.
One of the very real risks in having a deep bottoming out / rebuild is that the "forgetting how to win" prolongs the amnesia and means it takes longer to get that winning feeling back. On the other hand, maybe forgetting how to win is yet another brainless footy cliche, and we lost simply because the opposition has greater depth, greater experience, better composure, and better at getting the momentum back and getting the game back on their terms.
I think both your scenarios are right/valid.
Losing can become ingrained and habitual and difficult to break - especially after years and being virtually accepted by the club for so long/part of the process of the rebuild. You said it well, IMHO. But it can be done, and once broken can only be eradicated by a succession of wins... close and comfortable.
Your second scenario had me thinking of observations from the commentators... that they always felt Rottingwood had 'another gear' and when the chips were down they found that gear and we folded under that increase in pressure from our opponents.
The coaching staff will have their work cut out for them this week. Dealing with the hurt of a close loss to a credible opponent, especially after bringing your best would be deflating but from that hurt can come a mongrel resolve... hopefully we find that against GWS. For a young group to find the 'fed up' button will be a challenge, all they need to know is that, collectively, they actually have what it takes.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - PaulP - 05-12-2019
(05-12-2019, 01:39 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:...........................................Bit more shocked with Lloyd who has his brother at the club and has been a bit more circumspect with his criticism this season and of course shares a desk with Chris Judd on FC.
Never liked Lloyd and am no fan of his brother at the club either to be honest...
Yes, I'm not sure what the deal is with Brad Lloyd - it's tempting to think he's a gormless yes man, simply there to do as he's told, and not interfere with SOS and co. Maybe that's incorrect and harsh.
Also, the possibility that he can share info about us with his brother creeps me out. More than a little paranoia on my part.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - flyboy77 - 05-12-2019
I can't bag anyone after the effort they ALL gave yesterday.
Sure a few blunders here and there but the Pies are pretty much the best team around presently.
And Plowman (twice) and weitering were robbed in the dying minutes.....
Pies' supporters at the ground knew they stole one yesterday.
If the lads bring that intensity every week, we'll make t he 8!
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-12-2019
(05-12-2019, 02:20 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Yes, I'm not sure what the deal is with Brad Lloyd - it's tempting to think he's a gormless yes man, simply there to do as he's told, and not interfere with SOS and co. Maybe that's incorrect and harsh.
Also, the possibility that he can share info about us with his brother creeps me out. More than a little paranoia on my part.
I'll join your paranoia with the idea that Brad Lloyd probably wouldnt mind seeing Ross Lyon in a Carlton polo at some stage.
Matthew Lloyd would love to see us in turmoil and having a Lloyd at Carlton is like having the KGB living at the White House IMO..
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - PaulP - 05-12-2019
(05-12-2019, 02:52 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I'll join your paranoia with the idea that Brad Lloyd probably wouldnt mind seeing Ross Lyon in a Carlton polo at some stage.
Matthew Lloyd would love to see us in turmoil and having a Lloyd at Carlton is like having the KGB living at the White House IMO..
Ha. Yes, at least the press conferences will be brief.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - flyboy77 - 05-12-2019
hmmm.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - Professer E - 05-12-2019
Kane Cornes....found that life outside the football world is hard, bloody hard. You can't use connections to attain qualifications, then you fight for job positions and then work. I would have thought that after experiencing life in the real world, albeit briefly, he might have more consideration for the "little people". Instead he's just another talking head with an opinion.