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Re: Pre-Game Potential: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - JonHenry - 05-10-2019
(05-10-2019, 04:37 AM)LP link Wrote:Not at all, as EB1 points out your coach has to put players in roles that suit them, using their strengths to advantage not exposing their weaknesses.
Opposition coaches would be hell bent on forcing sMurph inside contests, and leaving Cripps or Setterfield trying to spread on the outside. No different to forcing McKay or Levi to compete for ground ball while allowing small forwards to fly for the ball, remember the bad old days of Betts as FF, or Yarran tagging, or Tutt at the coalface?
It's a football basic so I don't get why you are so disbelieving of a basic truth, that good coaches and MCs work with what they have got to it's greatest advantage.
Perhaps stop letting your emotions rule your brain!
Nothing emotional about it all,
Just sick of the excuses.
He isn't up to it, and hasn't been for a while.
Re: Pre-Game Potential: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - WASurfer - 05-10-2019
LP...without Cox, I'm not sure Levi needs to play back with Weitering and Marchbank down there. They've only got Mihocek and Reid as "talls" and Reid will play backup ruck as well. If it's just to plug a whole then McGovern might be better value with his intercept marking and kicking....Levi coming outta the backline trying to hit a target might not work! Our problem will be there small/medium forwards and plays on them....Elliott, Stephenson, De Goey, Hoskin-Elliott etc.
As for Charlie, he needs to find something this week or Bolton should make a similar statement to Clarkson. We can't keep carrying him if he's not contributing anything.
Re: Pre-Game Potential: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - flyboy77 - 05-10-2019
(05-10-2019, 01:59 AM)LP link Wrote:Early showers, greasy conditions, will not favor our tall setup.
Especially given over the last six or so quarters of footy outside of Jones or Weitering our talls have barely taken a mark! McKay, Levi, Marchbank, Cripps even McGovern all have the fumbles.
Get Podsiadly down on a contract to get them sorted, the bloke had the best contested marking and wet weather marking technique I've ever seen!
Saturday 11 May
SummaryMin 9Max 17Possible shower.Possible rainfall: 0 to 1 mmChance of any rain: 40%
Melbourne area
Cloudy. High (80%) chance of showers in the southeast suburbs, medium (50%) chance elsewhere. Winds west to southwesterly 15 to 20 km/h becoming light early in the morning then becoming northwest to southwesterly 15 to 25 km/h in the morning.
With the wind, it'll be dry as a button come game time....
Re: Pre-Game Potential: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - LP - 05-10-2019
(05-10-2019, 05:27 AM)WASurfer link Wrote:LP...without Cox, I'm not sure Levi needs to play back with Weitering and Marchbank down there. They've only got Mihocek and Reid as "talls" and Reid will play backup ruck as well. If it's just to plug a whole then McGovern might be better value with his intercept marking and kicking....Levi coming outta the backline trying to hit a target might not work! Our problem will be there small/medium forwards and plays on them....Elliott, Stephenson, De Goey, Hoskin-Elliott etc.
As for Charlie, he needs to find something this week or Bolton should make a similar statement to Clarkson. We can't keep carrying him if he's not contributing anything.
Levi might not get the time and space he needs, but when he does find space he is not a bad field kick, but he's not a Weitering either so you make a fair point.
However, Levi can launch and spoil with conviction, and when pushed he can hurt opponents as well with tackles and momentum, can he go with Reid once the ball hits the ground?
I fear Reid will muscle Marchbank, for a player of that size Marchbank is probably the least physical player I've ever seen.
Weitering must get Mihocek, we've no other option.
Re: Pre-Game Potential: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - LP - 05-10-2019
(05-10-2019, 05:22 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Nothing emotional about it all,
Just sick of the excuses.
He isn't up to it, and hasn't been for a while.
Yes, proving the absolute obvious, like sMurph isn't physically intimidating like Joel Selwood.
You'd fail horribly as a coach, you'd be so hell bent on putting your charges in circumstances that prove their shortcomings, you'd waste all their available talent!
Re: Pre-Game Potential: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - WASurfer - 05-10-2019
I fear that we'll play Reid back into form in much the same way we did with Brown last week. Not sure what size Williamson is but he might be an option for Mihocek but agree, Marchbank will get pushed aside too easy by either of those two.
I still think Levi is a better option as backup ruckman than taking McKay out of the forward line....his contested marking has been the feature of his game this year and he's more potent when taking them up forward. Charlie is the one that needs to pull his finger out this week. And I'd still have Ed following one of Pendlebury/Sidebottom around....let either of those off the leash to rack up 30+ possessions and their forwards will dine out.
Re: Pre-Game Potential: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - LP - 05-10-2019
(05-10-2019, 05:57 AM)WASurfer link Wrote:I fear that we'll play Reid back into form in much the same way we did with Brown last week. Not sure what size Williamson is but he might be an option for Mihocek but agree, Marchbank will get pushed aside too easy by either of those two.
I still think Levi is a better option as backup ruckman than taking McKay out of the forward line....his contested marking has been the feature of his game this year and he's more potent when taking them up forward. Charlie is the one that needs to pull his finger out this week. And I'd still have Ed following one of Pendlebury/Sidebottom around....let either of those off the leash to rack up 30+ possessions and their forwards will dine out.
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btw., I liked BBs pre-game presser, https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-05-10/bolton-previews-pies, but I'm not so confident our kids are all that good yet at blocking out the noise as he suggests. But I'll take him at his word.
On a separate issue, SpecialK back is massive, his experience and he's played well against Grundy previously. I like the no runners rule, but I concede our inexperienced team suffers under that rule, so getting an experienced player back in the heat is massive for us.
I realise the MC is probably doing it for a reason, but I feel over the last couple of games they have been a bit slow moving our experienced types back into traditional roles. Especially given you cannot send out a bunch of runners to instruct the kids.
Could the AFL change the runners rule, so that teams that didn't make finals last year can have an extra runner, it would be a great leveller?
Re: Pre-Game Potential: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-10-2019
(05-10-2019, 05:57 AM)WASurfer link Wrote:I fear that we'll play Reid back into form in much the same way we did with Brown last week. Not sure what size Williamson is but he might be an option for Mihocek but agree, Marchbank will get pushed aside too easy by either of those two.
I still think Levi is a better option as backup ruckman than taking McKay out of the forward line....his contested marking has been the feature of his game this year and he's more potent when taking them up forward. Charlie is the one that needs to pull his finger out this week. And I'd still have Ed following one of Pendlebury/Sidebottom around....let either of those off the leash to rack up 30+ possessions and their forwards will dine out.
Reid was in fair form last week for the Pies, kicked 1.4 though, Mihocek probably has a couple of cm on Williamson but would be too strong for him body wise. Tom still looks a bit underdone physically, I'd play him on Stephenson who is the same height but doesnt play in a physical manner and prefers to find space and always seems to be the man on the end of the joe the goose goals
Problem matchups will be Elliott and DeGoey...no obvious players in our lineup to take them, hoping DeGoey plays midfield more with Beams and Adams out..... dont sell Rupert Wills short either, big unit for a mid and been tearing it up in the twos and would be playing more seniors if the Pies were not so deep.
Fisher for Sidebottom, Ed for Treloar and Dow for Pendlebury...Cripps will get Greenwood regardless of what we want anyway with maybe Mayne rotating with Greenwood....
Have the feeling McGovern may start down back this week, maybe even on DeGoey...Bolton indicated in his presser we may get more creative which is good for the team and him as he is fairly rigid and subdued with his creative side when it comes to tactics IMO.
Re: Pre-Game Potential: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - LP - 05-10-2019
(05-10-2019, 06:18 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Have the feeling McGovern may start down back this week, maybe even on DeGoey...Bolton indicated in his presser we may get more creative which is good for the team and him as he is fairly rigid and subdued with his creative side when it comes to tactics IMO.
I hope they don't stuff Weiters around!
Is SoJ a chance of a run with role on Reid, his fathers son? I think Reid is not the lightning quick player he was for his size, and SoJ certainly has his old man's core strength and work ethic. I think SoJ now has the size, at least close enough. Harass, pester, spoil, scrag, interrupt, interfere, irritate, start of a new Silvagni era!
Re: Pre-Game Potential: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-10-2019
(05-10-2019, 06:43 AM)LP link Wrote:I hope they don't stuff Weiters around!
Is SoJ a chance of a run with role on Reid, his fathers son? I think Reid is not the lightning quick player he was for his size, and SoJ certainly has his old man's core strength and work ethic. I think SoJ now has the size, at least close enough. Harass, pester, spoil, scrag, interrupt, interfere, irritate, start of a new Silvagni era!
Reid has never been quick and has only got slower and with less hair but he is a very very strong mark and I wouldnt want SOSOS on him in any one on ones near goal....
I talked about McGovern playing on DeGoey, the other creative move if McGovern didnt go down back would be to play Casboult on Reid....might happen.