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Re: 2018 Rd 1 Post Game Party: Carlton vs Richmond - kruddler - 03-23-2018
(03-23-2018, 08:21 AM)Bear link Wrote:Which is not relevant for the comparison you were making.
How do you figure that? Over everyones career, what i said was true.
Its like saying we have no premiership players on our list, because Daisy winning at the pies doesn't count somehow. Bizarre comment.
Re: 2018 Rd 1 Post Game Party: Carlton vs Richmond - Bear - 03-23-2018
(03-23-2018, 08:43 AM)kruddler link Wrote:How do you figure that? Over everyones career, what i said was true.
Its like saying we have no premiership players on our list, because Daisy winning at the pies doesn't count somehow. Bizarre comment.
Wright’s “real” number is what he has done at Carlton, as you are ranking within our list.
Daisy and Judd aren’t Carlton premiership players, and Peter McKenna isn’t our leading goal kicker.
Including his Adelaide career distorts (negatively) how effective he has been for us.
Re: 2018 Rd 1 Post Game Party: Carlton vs Richmond - Lods - 03-23-2018
(03-23-2018, 08:15 AM)kruddler link Wrote:You been skipping over all my posts then.
Weitering out (no matchup)
Cunningham in (extra midfield rotation) - covers the loss of Kennedy early, an extra small rotation so we don't run out of legs late
Weitering stays because I think he's a better forward option than Silvagni at present.
But I doubt it would have made any difference to the result.
Re: 2018 Rd 1 Post Game Party: Carlton vs Richmond - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-23-2018
Kruddler was rght on Weitering ,he didn't end up with a suitable matchup and was a liability down back.
He gets preferential treatment because he is a no 1 pick imo and pushing him forward isn't the answer, it's just a refusal to accept he is out of form and needs a spell in the two,s.
SOSOS is the same, yep trying but not anywhere near it and needs to learn more about the game in the VFL., not just kept in the team because his father is a powerful figure at the club with a famous surname.
Re: 2018 Rd 1 Post Game Party: Carlton vs Richmond - Thryleon - 03-23-2018
On Levi, I don't care about his kicking being average.
For me the biggest negative in him is what happens when he doesn't take the mark.
He's out of the contest and doesn't apply enough forward pressure at ground level.
I still keep him in for team balance (him out means rance on Charlie instead of astbury).
Re: 2018 Rd 1 Post Game Party: Carlton vs Richmond - DJC - 03-23-2018
I really don’t get the criticism of Weitering and SOJ. :-\
The former was made to look bad by our other defenders pushing up the ground and leaving him (and Jones) exposed. Some of Weitering’s work on the last line of defence was outstanding.
SOJ had a hard night but worked his butt off as usual. His fortunes rely more on the work of our midfield than his own efforts. However, I’d like to see him spend more time in the midfield where his footy smarts can come to the fore.
Re: 2018 Rd 1 Post Game Party: Carlton vs Richmond - Jack Burton - 03-23-2018
(03-23-2018, 11:04 AM)DJC link Wrote:I really don’t get the criticism of Weitering and SOJ. :-\Agree with this 100 percent. We were all crying out to be more attacking. Well guess what, if you push everyone further forward and then turn the ball over, you leave 1 or 2 defenders stranded, and it was very noticeable at the game last night that they pushed forward after a turnover harder than we pushed back, hence Weitering and Jones were often outnumbered and under way too much pressure. If you want to be higher scoring, this is the price you pay, it makes it a skill contest, and we lost. Silvagni worked his butt off, disrupted a lot of what they wanted to do, and got very ordinary service from our midfield, but he did run very hard to create space for his teammates. No doubt he's one of our best forwards atm
The former was made to look bad by our other defenders pushing up the ground and leaving him (and Jones) exposed. Some of Weitering’s work on the last line of defence was outstanding.
SOJ had a hard night but worked his butt off as usual. His fortunes rely more on the work of our midfield than his own efforts. However, I’d like to see him spend more time in the midfield where his footy smarts can come to the fore.
Re: 2018 Rd 1 Post Game Party: Carlton vs Richmond - Gointocarlton - 03-23-2018
(03-23-2018, 11:04 AM)DJC link Wrote:I really don’t get the criticism of Weitering and SOJ. :-\Sorry mate, disagree. Firstly, I am a big fan of the two lads, last night though, they were terrible. Out of 10, I would rate them 3. 6 marks between them, SOS didnt trouble the scorers and Weiters pooed his pants on numerous occasions when the ball came near him. There was a one on one marking contest between Weiters and Dusty that the young fella will find hard to watch the replay I reckon. Turned to see who his opponent was and he pooed himself. I know Dusty is a bull and a gun but...
The former was made to look bad by our other defenders pushing up the ground and leaving him (and Jones) exposed. Some of Weitering’s work on the last line of defence was outstanding.
SOJ had a hard night but worked his butt off as usual. His fortunes rely more on the work of our midfield than his own efforts. However, I’d like to see him spend more time in the midfield where his footy smarts can come to the fore.
They looked like players coming off long injury layoffs. They need to find form....fast.
Re: 2018 Rd 1 Post Game Party: Carlton vs Richmond - cookie2 - 03-23-2018
(03-23-2018, 11:17 AM)Jack Burton link Wrote:Agree with this 100 percent. We were all crying out to be more attacking. Well guess what, if you push everyone further forward and then turn the ball over, you leave 1 or 2 defenders stranded, and it was very noticeable at the game last night that they pushed forward after a turnover harder than we pushed back, hence Weitering and Jones were often outnumbered and under way too much pressure. If you want to be higher scoring, this is the price you pay, it makes it a skill contest, and we lost. Silvagni worked his butt off, disrupted a lot of what they wanted to do, and got very ordinary service from our midfield, but he did run very hard to create space for his teammates. No doubt he's one of our best forwards atm
A lot of truth in what you say JB. We were caught out a lot by our focus on pushing forward i.e. doing what we were crying out for last year and trying to move the ball forward quickly. Only one game and we'll no doubt get better at executing this style of play. The Tigers were also pretty good at feeding off our mistakes and rebounding quickly.
Re: 2018 Rd 1 Post Game Party: Carlton vs Richmond - Gointocarlton - 03-23-2018
(03-23-2018, 11:45 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:A lot of truth in what you say JB. We were caught out a lot by our focus on pushing forward i.e. doing what we were crying out for last year and trying to move the ball forward quickly. Only one game and we'll no doubt get better at executing this style of play. The Tigers were also pretty good at feeding off our mistakes and rebounding quickly.They were ruthless in this area Cookie. I sat up in the nose bleed section in the Ponsford (5 rows from the back) so I had a really good view of the full ground and their positioning and spread from T/O's was pretty darn good to watch.