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Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park - Navy Maven - 02-05-2018
(02-05-2018, 01:47 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Fair call but I beg to differ. I don't think it would be insulting. In fact I suspect many of the women would be wrapped to know that some proceeds from their efforts would go to help worthy women causes.
However, the core of my point was that the AFL has not demonstrated imagination in terms of reaping full benefit from the popularity of the ALFW. Of course a % of proceeds should be poured back into the further development of the competition.
Even the men's comp has special affiliation rounds to show support to various community issues/charities - prostate cancer for one and I'm sure the players are happy that money raised from their efforts aids prostate cancer research.
Perhaps, and I'm only brainstorming here/just thought starters, a certain % goes to further development but each round also buddies up with a given bona fide women's cause... this gives promotion to the cause and would encourage corporate sponsorship which brings in more money to also aid development. That's central to my argument, just apply imagination to marketing potential that could deliver both cause support and future development support. This grows the ALFW in other ways that can only help.
I was not aware that bosoms are very resilient and localised trauma is not indicative of cancer risk (like a good boy, I did some research) )... perhaps I've been too gentle over the decades ;D
Yeah I think that would be a better compromise. But I still think it would be a bit of a slap in the face when the women are already grossly underpaid. I get that there are rounds in the AFL that go to certain charities, but even average male footballers are earning 6 figure wages. The women aren't being paid enough to forgo other full time employment, so until that happens, I'd rather see any profits made go back into the game, particularly via the women. The sooner they can become full time sports people, the sooner the skill levels will improve.
Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park - Baggers - 02-05-2018
(02-05-2018, 05:44 AM)Navy Maven link Wrote:Yeah I think that would be a better compromise. But I still think it would be a bit of a slap in the face when the women are already grossly underpaid. I get that there are rounds in the AFL that go to certain charities, but even average male footballers are earning 6 figure wages. The women aren't being paid enough to forgo other full time employment, so until that happens, I'd rather see any profits made go back into the game, particularly via the women. The sooner they can become full time sports people, the sooner the skill levels will improve.
Yep, but I think the women are realistic enough to understand that it'll take time to earn serious loot (what they deserve). I don't think there's any greater slap in the face than making admission free. Treats them like a sideshow. What I am proposing is to begin to value their league more to put a premium on it - some entrance fee. At least from something you can grow to more and justify it, and then share the spoils.
Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park - shawny - 02-05-2018
(02-04-2018, 05:33 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:I was never expecting them to kick goals from 50, not even 35- 40m tbh.
But 25m, bloody oath. And to hit up a target over that distance more often than not....
Suggesting a 18yo girl is physically weaker than a 12yo boy (in general) is pure balderdash.
Suggesting executing a decent drop punt is more about strength than anything else is equally problematic - try ball drop, timing and technique.....
And sure, I don't want the girls to start shirt fronting or doing Dusty's 'don't argue' but I do expect them to be able to execute a reasonable handball to a team mate over 2-3 metres.....
Anyway, enjoy it folks. Each to their own....
x100. Perfectly said!!!!
To televise live on FTA and bang on like its going to be so amazing.......its a major let down if you watch it unbiased. And yeah it got $19K fans but no one put there hand in their pocket. Who in the right mind would pay even $5 to watch it!! You would have to be mad.
To be brutally honest there are large chunks of the match that were laughable..............the second half in particular was an appalling - basic skills were just not there. Under 14s is of a consistently higher standard. Some were complaining it to AFL res grade - please!!!!!
I said it before and will say it again....take off the club colours and no one would be in the slightest bit interested.
Wont last.
Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park - kruddler - 02-05-2018
(02-05-2018, 08:30 AM)shawny link Wrote:x100. Perfectly said!!!!
To televise live on FTA and bang on like its going to be so amazing.......its a major let down if you watch it unbiased. And yeah it got $19K fans but no one put there hand in their pocket. Who in the right mind would pay even $5 to watch it!! You would have to be mad.
To be brutally honest there are large chunks of the match that were laughable..............the second half in particular was an appalling - basic skills were just not there. Under 14s is of a consistently higher standard. Some were complaining it to AFL res grade - please!!!!!
I said it before and will say it again....take off the club colours and no one would be in the slightest bit interested.
Wont last.
Same could be said for the mens team for large parts of the past 2 decades.
As i've said previously, its not just about skills, its about the contest. That goes for any sport.
Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park - shawny - 02-05-2018
(02-05-2018, 08:37 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Same could be said for the mens team for large parts of the past 2 decades.
As i've said previously, its not just about skills, its about the contest. That goes for any sport.
While I agree the mens team has for too long been one of the consistently weaker teams but don't bother discussing the skill levels of each competition, as there is no argument.
Over the last 20 we have had players of the calibre of Judd, Fev, Kouta, Murphy to name a few.
You will never ever ever witness anything even close to that level in the women's comp.
Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park - Lods - 02-05-2018
Back in the day I used to watch SANFL and think that the skills displayed in that seemed to be superior to what was on show in the old VFL.
The reality was that the level of play in the VFL was streets ahead.
The difference was the pressure.
You had less time to execute in VFL.
Kicks and handballs were performed under greater pressure and as a result were often less 'çlean' than they were in minor leagues.
It's the same with Under 18 footballers these days.
Take the star U/18 player and pop him in an AFL side and he doesn't look anywhere near the player he was in the junior league until he gets up to speed with the game.
I suspect this is what we're seeing with the women at the moment.
They're all "9-game players" at this level of pressure.
How many "9 game AFLérs" are up to speed with the game?
Let's see what it looks like in a couple of seasons.
Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park - DJC - 02-05-2018
(02-05-2018, 11:29 AM)Lods link Wrote:Back in the day I used to watch SANFL and think that the skills displayed in that seemed to be superior to what was on show in the old VFL.
The reality was that the level of play in the VFL was streets ahead.
The difference was the pressure.
You had less time to execute in VFL.
Kicks and handballs were performed under greater pressure and as a result were often less 'çlean' than they were in minor leagues.
It's the same with Under 18 footballers these days.
Take the star U/18 player and pop him in an AFL side and he doesn't look anywhere near the player he was in the junior league until he gets up to speed with the game.
I suspect this is what we're seeing with the women at the moment.
They're all "9-game players" at this level of pressure.
How many "9 game AFLérs" are up to speed with the game?
Let's see what it looks like in a couple of seasons.
Good points Lods - as usual
I think that the short season makes a huge difference to the intensity of the game and, hence, the pressure and perceived pressure. Losing a game here or there in an AFL season doesn't mean all that much but losing a game in the AFLW could end your finals prospects.
I still don't have TV (my son and my nephew are going to sort it next weekend) but, from what I've seen, defensive structures ruled and the pressure was intense. That certainly would have had an impact on the skills and fluidity of the game.
Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park - madbluboy - 02-05-2018
Give it time.
The league's best player last season was a basketballer.
Our best player was a goalkeeper.
Imagine how good they would have been if they had focused on footy their whole lives?
Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park - LP - 02-05-2018
(02-05-2018, 08:20 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Give it time.
The league's best player last season was a basketballer.
Our best player was a goalkeeper.
Imagine how good they would have been if they had focused on footy their whole lives?
Yes, no doubt that will be the case!
Also the massive rise in fitness and physicality has, as Lods points out, greatly increased pressure acts on field. At the moment the girls are playing catch up in terms of decision making and experience. They are all now fit enough to get to the contest and influence the disposal, but they are not experienced at playing under such pressure. The tell for me is how many of them are still goal orientated, they still try to pick up the pill and head straight through a wall of opponents for goal.
If you want to judge how much they have improved, it will probably show when their normal state level season starts later this year and the fitness and talent is spread across many teams.
Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park - PaulP - 02-05-2018
(02-05-2018, 08:20 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Give it time.
The league's best player last season was a basketballer.
Our best player was a goalkeeper.
Imagine how good they would have been if they had focused on footy their whole lives?
Yes indeed.