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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 09-25-2020

(09-25-2020, 06:56 AM)mateinone link Wrote:You would think at least one of the following 2 statements must be true.
The Victorian government so incompetent that they run the most critical program in the states recent history with absolutely no insistence on accountability, record keeping etc?
The Victorian government lying?

Both >Big Grin

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 09-25-2020

Mikakos set up to carry the can.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 09-25-2020

(09-25-2020, 06:56 AM)mateinone link Wrote:So with the final day of questions in the inquiry.
You would think at least one of the following 2 statements must be true.
The Victorian government so incompetent that they run the most critical program in the states recent history with absolutely no insistence on accountability, record keeping etc?
The Victorian government lying?

Btw there is every chance if the government was a listed business and have this lack of detail for an inquiry, they would face being de-registered, receive huge fine and/or face potential criminal charges.

And this is all just on ONE element, the hotel bungling.
Interesting that they are not being forced to release some of their "secret data" around their modelling and decision making, data that they insisted was in the public interest to not release.

Government without accountability and transparency... Is this Australia or Belarus?
This inquiry to me proved that the government is about protecting it's own position above all else.

About sums it up.

I've just finished reading as much as I could about this fiasco. I was hoping that accountability would surface, be analyzed as to how it happened, and then strategies put in place so it could never, ever, happen again.

This is like an episode of Yes, Minister... without the humour.

What Dan has to realise, and quickly, that this episode of buck-passing, denial, assumptions and plain old incompetence will only erode at least, destroy at worst, community trust in him and his government.

If this was a local council, the state government would sack the lot of them.

Well, Dan, you can accept this bullsh1t non-result and give your opponents massive ammunition or you can get to the truth, quickly... someone is accountable and even if a 'committee/collective decision' on employing private security firms, there would still be in the Minutes a record of who Proposed, who Seconded and who would Action the decision... if not - then God help us all!

As for 'believing' that NSW would have been the priority for ADF help... sorry, Dan - bullsh1t. If you were fair dinkum about protecting your people, your state, you would have been on the dogger to ScoMo insisting on troops... asap. You're the leader and it is expected of you to be pro-active and insistent on looking after your state, your people in the very best way possible... not making limp assumptions.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-25-2020

Andrews performance was ludicrous IMO, how can you not know who made such an important decision, and I supported him initially during the first wave with his harsh lockdown approach. Mikakos indeed has been sacrificed but its like the French revolution, you know whats coming eventually when you treat the people with contempt.
Peoples lives have been lost and I'm not sure I could contain my anger if one of my family had been lost due to this bungled decision..

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 09-25-2020

(09-25-2020, 08:00 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Andrews performance was ludicrous IMO, how can you not know who made such an important decision, and I supported him initially during the first wave with his harsh lockdown approach. Mikakos indeed has been sacrificed but its like the French revolution, you know whats coming eventually when you treat the people with contempt.
Peoples lives have been lost and I'm not sure I could contain my anger if one of my family had been lost due to this bungled decision..

I couldn't and I wouldn't... in fact I'm pretty p1ssed off with this entire charade now, we've all been let down badly by this bullsh1t. Dan reckons it's unacceptable that none of his ministers knows precisely who made the private security company call... well, Knackers, for your political survival you'd better bloody find out!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 09-25-2020

Cock up of the highest order.

Greatest public health f.... up in Australian history.

Killed close to 800, destroyed the State economy and 1000s of businesses, lives and livelihoods.

Many heads must roll. Including Dopey's.

And sure, they've lined up Mikakos in the first instance.

Anyone who thinks he really doesn't know needs help.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-25-2020

(09-25-2020, 08:24 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I couldn't and I wouldn't... in fact I'm pretty p1ssed off with this entire charade now, we've all been let down badly by this bullsh1t. Dan reckons it's unacceptable that none of his ministers knows precisely who made the private security company call... well, Knackers, for your political survival you'd better bloody find out!
Baggers..60 million on private security or close to it spent and know one knows anything about it???....someone authorized that money to be spent.  Its either incompetence or straight lying and either way the Government has to go, problem is the opposition and other parties are clueless, faceless no hopers as well.
60 mill could have been spent on the hospital workers getting proper PPE gear and not the cheap Chinese shizen carp they ended up with..source Frankston hospital staff.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 09-25-2020

(09-25-2020, 08:24 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I couldn't and I wouldn't... in fact I'm pretty p1ssed off with this entire charade now, we've all been let down badly by this bullsh1t. Dan reckons it's unacceptable that none of his ministers knows precisely who made the private security company call... well, Knackers, for your political survival you'd better bloody find out!
Thats the public service for you, non accountable, entitled and think it's all big joke. If 800 people didnt die, it would be laughable. Instead, its very serious but nothing will come of it, may a Mikakos might get the Khyber but dont hold your breath.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 09-25-2020

What if we get a 3rd wave? Would you trust this bunch to get it right?

Among a number of others, I was right there with this govt when they slammed the brakes on the initial outbreak. Ripper. But the 2nd outbreak has revealed incompetence and lies. As I posted earlier, FFS the Federal Govt must assume central control of future pandemics and hand control to the military and science/medicos. When real leadership is required, pollies have shown they're not up to it... and ScoMo needn't be so smug, remember him holidaying whilst lives were being lost in fires? He apologized... good, and got into action. Now, Dan, you've apologized... but now you have to act, decisively and with clinical objectivity, unless you're a part of the problem - and if you don't act, then we know you likely are.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 09-25-2020

(09-25-2020, 08:25 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Cock up of the highest order.

Greatest public health f.... up in Australian history.

Killed close to 800, destroyed the State economy and 1000s of businesses, lives and livelihoods.

Many heads must roll. Including Dopey's.

And sure, they've lined up Mikakos in the first instance.

Anyone who thinks he really doesn't know needs help.

Whoa Nellie. Roll back the drama there FB.

Yes, there has been a serious and incredibly stupid betrayal of public trust and there must be accountability. But your obvious political bias is blinding you I suggest. The Victoria economy has not been destroyed to isolate just one of your dramatic assertions. Damaged? Yes, but never, ever, underestimate the indomitable spirit and resilience of the Australian people. Despite the stupidity and incompetence of many politicians (all sides) and many greedy banking/corporate leaders, we've recovered from their breathtaking inabilities, and will again.

Park your emotive disdain for Dan Andrews for a moment. And your obvious personal hatred for the bloke is obvious, however... have a bit of trust in those who will rebuild, over time, the VIC economy - us. There's a challenge in front of us, well, two... firstly, isolate and reveal exactly who the liars are in this state Govt, then let's get on with rebuilding the place.