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Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - spf - 12-31-2018
If anyone is looking for the Sheffield Shield figures, use this to access that part of the site:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series?id=8043&sheffield-shield=
This is the stats section:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/1150086.html?view=records
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - spf - 12-31-2018
You would have to say looking at the past two years, that Matthew Wade would have to be looked at again.
2017
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=12018;type=tournament
2018
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=12452;type=tournament
Pity Callum Ferguson has not made many runs of late. Could have been another Chris Rogers type career for us.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - flyboy77 - 12-31-2018
Crikey, forgot all about Maxwell - should have been #6 from the get go.
He must have really pissed off some bigwigs at CA.
And Warne is dead on the money - the bowlers aren't doing their job - the opening two way out of form!
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 12-31-2018
(12-31-2018, 01:04 AM)crashlander link Wrote:[2] Our bowling:
Our bowling has a lot of potential. However, they don't seem to be making early breakthroughs. The numbers in the paper today are quite damning.
For all of that, I really do see our quicks as a potential positive. We need to have our guys bowling with as much discipline as the Indian quicks, who have bowled magnificently. I would also consider giving one or two of the other guys a game, as there are some quicks out there who could really make a difference: James Pattinson, Chris Tremaine and Scott Boland come to mind. There are others.
Nathan Lyon is our best performed finger spinner in history.
However, there are pitches where he could do with help. I like the idea of playing a leggie.
Like to see Pattinson and Jhye Richardson get a run. Starc and Hazelwood aren't fully doing the job. Pattinson has 70 wickets from 17 Tests, @ 26.15, strike rate 48, as well as averaging 27.6 with the bat, higher than Mitch Marsh.
As for the batting, Khawaja to open, Kurtis Patterson to no.3, Burns in, drop Finch and M.Marsh
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 12-31-2018
(12-31-2018, 12:57 AM)crashlander link Wrote:It is now too late to radically change the side. Pity, as the side is in need of radical changes.
[1] Our batsmen are averaging less than the bowlers. That is the sort of thing that loses games, and it has.
(a) Finch should not be opening. He hasn't opened for Victoria for a number of years now. Now his form is shot, he looks to be one of the first ready to be dropped. With his present average this series, he should be dropped. But playing him further down the list could have delivered results at least as good.
(b) Head appears to have some idea, but he gets out too easily. Mentally weak at the moment. He isn't that bad a spin bowler either, yet he hasn't had a decent spell.
His present numbers do not deserve a game, but he may in the future.
© Harris has disappointed. I think he may have a future, but his present batting is not deserving of a spot.
(d) Shaun Marsh's performances are borderline at best. he makes runs just often enough to keep in the team. But I think test cricket has passed him by. We need someone with his father's mental strength. Both of Geoff's sons have more natural talent than he did, but neither has even half his application and mental strength. Pity, as but they have been given a lot of chances that other guys simply couldn't get.
(e) Mitch Marsh: I think his bowling in the last game was better than it has been in quite some time. The only problem with that was that he was wicket-less.His batting: he is a flat track bully. He can slaughter an ordinary attack on a flat deck. But he is not getting to play against ordinary attacks and the decks have not been what we either expect or require. Result? Mitch Marsh fails again.
(f) Usman Khawaja: coming back direct from injury set him up for failure. he played no warm up games and has struggled against one of the best attacks in the business.
For all that, he isn't that bad and probably has a future in the team for a little longer. But he was underdone and got smashed.
(g) Marnus Labuschagne will probably play in Sydney. He might have a future: I liked his spin bowling. His batting, on the other hand, is unlikely to succeed against such a good attack. But I can hope.
Harris has looked the part but just hasn't gone on. worth persisting with though. Head's done ok but too often goes out to the $hit shot, actually, done that every innings. He's frustrating but at 25yo has a future. Again, hasn't gone on. Khawaja is certainly ok. S.Marsh, like you said, has done just enough with a 60 and two 40s but not going on.
Batting has been terrible, yet if they weren't trash in the First Test we are up 2-1 given we lost by only 31 runs. Didn't even need to be good, just better.
Also, don't want to see the toss deciding games. The pitch was a slow road for two days, near impossible to get wickets, hence on 5 fell in that time. After that it played horrible trick hence 15 wickets fell on the 3rd day and India declared at 8/106 on the 4th.
If we had Smith and Warner we'd have the series won, think that's obvious. If they didn't have Kohli and Pujara they'd be down 3-0.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - ElwoodBlues1 - 12-31-2018
(12-31-2018, 07:32 AM)laj link Wrote:Harris has looked the part but just hasn't gone on. worth persisting with though. Head's done ok but too often goes out to the $hit shot, actually, done that every innings. He's frustrating but at 25yo has a future. Again, hasn't gone on. Khawaja is certainly ok. S.Marsh, like you said, has done just enough with a 60 and two 40s but not going on.
Batting has been terrible, yet if they weren't trash in the First Test we are up 2-1 given we lost by only 31 runs. Didn't even need to be good, just better.
Also, don't want to see the toss deciding games. The pitch was a slow road for two days, near impossible to get wickets, hence on 5 fell in that time. After that it played horrible trick hence 15 wickets fell on the 3rd day and India declared at 8/106 on the 4th.
If we had Smith and Warner we'd have the series won, think that's obvious. If they didn't have Kohli and Pujara they'd be down 3-0.
Our pace bowlers do nothing with the ball...best quicks in the world are Rabada, Abbas and probably Bumrah...they all can swing and seam the new and old ball, once the shine is off and the ball softens ours are next to useless, sure we dont help them with our pitch preparation but you have to be able to move the ball on dead wickets and thats the hallmark of the great bowlers.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - sandsmere - 12-31-2018
(12-31-2018, 09:21 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Our pace bowlers do nothing with the ball...best quicks in the world are Rabada, Abbas and probably Bumrah...they all can swing and seam the new and old ball, once the shine is off and the ball softens ours are next to useless, sure we dont help them with our pitch preparation but you have to be able to move the ball on dead wickets and thats the hallmark of the great bowlers.
Pat Cummins doesn't do much with the ball ???
Still managed to take 9 wickets in 45 overs though.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - ElwoodBlues1 - 12-31-2018
(12-31-2018, 09:56 AM)sandsmere link Wrote:Pat Cummins doesn't do much with the ball ???
Still managed to take 9 wickets in 45 overs though.
Cummins is an effort bowler, he digs it in, intimidates and is an enforcer and you need one of those in every team for sure.
But you wouldnt call Cummins a traditional swing bowler who bowls big out swingers or reverse swings it with the old ball.
If you have watched Rabada, Abbas and Bumrah they are swinging the ball both ways or in Bumrahs case bowling inswingers then the big leg cutter.
Abbas isnt even quick and rarely bounces batsman but he is always at you doing a bit each way, never seen a bowler hit the pads as often as Abbas or make batsman
play as much.
We dont have that genuine swing/consistent seamer in the team.......if Pattinson could stay on the park he could be the man
or maybe Mennie/Worral from SA. We need more subtlety than just three big quicks banging the ball in to the track....add M.Marsh who does nothing with the ball either.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 12-31-2018
Pattinson is a point of difference with his away movement at pace.
Hazelwood and Starc need to do a lot more with the pill, although Josh at least has accuracy going for him. Josh is more a defensive style of bowler.
Sayers and Behrendorff move the ball around a lot, especially Sayers. He has to be considered for England.
The dead pitches we serve up have rendered Hazelwood's bowling pedestrian. His height and pace are mitigated by this. Even still, he doesn't look likely to run through a side. I like him but can't see him causing problems for India in Sydney.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - JonHenry - 12-31-2018
(12-31-2018, 09:21 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Our pace bowlers do nothing with the ball...best quicks in the world are Rabada, Abbas and probably Bumrah...they all can swing and seam the new and old ball, once the shine is off and the ball softens ours are next to useless, sure we dont help them with our pitch preparation but you have to be able to move the ball on dead wickets and thats the hallmark of the great bowlers.
This might be part of it:
The Australian- Peter Lalor
India’s pace bowlers produced reverse swing in the Boxing Day Test match, but Australia’s have little hope of finding it as they operate under a strict new policy after the ball-tampering scandal in South Africa.
The team struggled to find an acceptable level of aggression on the field in the matches that followed the incident, but appears to have found a way since Tim Paine stood up to Virat Kohli in Perth.
An acceptable level of ball maintenance is yet to be discovered.
That department was once run by David Warner and was successful in getting the ball into a state where reverse would offer assistance after the shine was gone from the new ball. Mitchell Starc was particularly effective when the ball started to misbehave, never more so than in the team’s first win in South Africa
Warner was celebrated by the team for the work he did and fielders were under strict instructions not to sweat on the ball or damage its shined side — both negate reverse swing.
Umpires in first-class cricket were spoken to ahead of the season by Cricket Australia and have passed on a message to all state teams that they are closely monitoring the ball this season.
Teams were told the person who shines the ball cannot have chewing gum or mints in their mouth at the time. There has also been a crackdown on bouncing the ball into the centre strip.
All sides use mints to polish the ball and the practice of throwing the ball into the rough on return is common, but frowned upon.
The wicket area in the first two Tests was well grassed, which made it almost impossible to get the ball roughed up enough to reverse, but India’s seamers had it going at the MCG while Australia’s did not.
Statistics published by Cricinfo indicate just how much better the visitors have been with the older ball.
The Indian quicks have taken 15 wickets at an average of 22 runs after the 41st over, while the Australians have just six at 46. The Australians take a wicket every 100 deliveries with the ball in that period, the Indians need only half as many.
Last year against England, Australia took 19 wickets at an average of 30 in the same period.
In an exclusive column for News Corp, captain Tim Paine acknowledged that his side was tentative about ball maintenance. “We accept there is no margin for error for us,” he said.
“We have to be spot-on with everything we do with the ball and we will be.
“We will be watched closely as we were in Dubai. Every time the ball went around in the field the spotlight was on us.”
Paine indicated before the series in the UAE that ball maintenance, which had once been the subject of meetings and endless discussions, would be handed back to the bowlers.
“They have taken a bit more ownership of the ball and obviously they’ve got to bowl with it,” Paine said at the time.
“I think it’s a good idea. We’ll have some guys holding it a bit more while the bowlers are bowling and they’re traditionally going to be sweating a bit more.
“In cricket teams I’ve been in, the bowlers tend to be pushed to the side and the batters take over the ball.
“We’ve spoken to our quicks. We’ve got ‘Starcy’ (Mitchell Starc) and ‘Sidds’ (Peter Siddle), who are really experienced, they know exactly what they want to do and it’s up to the rest of us to support them.”
Achieving reverse swing almost became an arms race in South Africa with both sides accusing the other of ball-tampering almost from the first day.
Starc’s bowling in Durban was the difference in the first match. The seamer took five wickets in a session on day two and three in an over on day four when the ball began to reverse.
“Very rarely do you see it happen day one, first session (like it did in Durban),” then-coach Darren Lehmann said after that game. “Obviously, there are techniques used by both sides to get the ball to reverse and that’s just the way the game goes. I have no problems with it. I don’t mind the ball moving.”
The South Africans, who had received penalties for ball-tampering in previous years, resolved to be better with their ball maintenance in the second Test and were.
“There was a real difference in skill with the reverse swing,” captain Faf du Plessis said. “Starc reverse swings the ball at pace and the only (similar) weapon we have right now is Kagiso (Rabada).”
New coach Justin Langer promised when he came into the job that ball-tampering would not occur on his watch.
“My honest view is it’s an international problem,” Langer told former Test teammate Adam Gilchrist in a Fox Cricket interview.
“But I can’t for a single second understand how we took sandpaper out on to the field. That doesn’t make any sense to me.
“The issue with people ball-tampering is something that’s going on internationally, and that’s a real worry.
“We’ve got to get the pitches right around the world so that the ball does move, whether it spins or swings. But to go to the point we did was a huge mistake.”