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Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - ElwoodBlues1 - 12-30-2018
(12-30-2018, 06:07 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:I think fitness is probably the only thing we get right.
The comments were more about
A - our lack of penetration from our opening bowlers
And
B - they both commented on the strength of their first class cricket system, while ours has been ignored by CA and gone backwards
A: Our bowlers need pace and bounce out of the wicket, none of them really move the ball in the air or off the wicket to any great degree.
We dont have a genuine swing bowler who can swing the new ball or reverse the old one, Starc has the odd day where he does but not enough of them.
Hazlewood hardly moves the ball and Cummins is an effort bowler....
Unlike other countries we manufacture wickets to deny our own bowlers....
B: Short format game has ruined Shield cricket...too many park cricketers with poor techniques who cant transition to the longer format game.....Warner is one of the few who did.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - capcom - 12-31-2018
... and Langer sticks with Finch for sydney >
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - crashlander - 12-31-2018
It is now too late to radically change the side. Pity, as the side is in need of radical changes.
[1] Our batsmen are averaging less than the bowlers. That is the sort of thing that loses games, and it has.
(a) Finch should not be opening. He hasn't opened for Victoria for a number of years now. Now his form is shot, he looks to be one of the first ready to be dropped. With his present average this series, he should be dropped. But playing him further down the list could have delivered results at least as good.
(b) Head appears to have some idea, but he gets out too easily. Mentally weak at the moment. He isn't that bad a spin bowler either, yet he hasn't had a decent spell.
His present numbers do not deserve a game, but he may in the future.
© Harris has disappointed. I think he may have a future, but his present batting is not deserving of a spot.
(d) Shaun Marsh's performances are borderline at best. he makes runs just often enough to keep in the team. But I think test cricket has passed him by. We need someone with his father's mental strength. Both of Geoff's sons have more natural talent than he did, but neither has even half his application and mental strength. Pity, as but they have been given a lot of chances that other guys simply couldn't get.
(e) Mitch Marsh: I think his bowling in the last game was better than it has been in quite some time. The only problem with that was that he was wicket-less.
His batting: he is a flat track bully. He can slaughter an ordinary attack on a flat deck. But he is not getting to play against ordinary attacks and the decks have not been what we either expect or require. Result? Mitch Marsh fails again. (f) Usman Khawaja: coming back direct from injury set him up for failure. he played no warm up games and has struggled against one of the best attacks in the business.
For all that, he isn't that bad and probably has a future in the team for a little longer. But he was underdone and got smashed.
(g) Marnus Labuschagne will probably play in Sydney. He might have a future: I liked his spin bowling. His batting, on the other hand, is unlikely to succeed against such a good attack. But I can hope.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - crashlander - 12-31-2018
[2] Our bowling:
Our bowling has a lot of potential. However, they don't seem to be making early breakthroughs. The numbers in the paper today are quite damning.
For all of that, I really do see our quicks as a potential positive. We need to have our guys bowling with as much discipline as the Indian quicks, who have bowled magnificently. I would also consider giving one or two of the other guys a game, as there are some quicks out there who could really make a difference: James Pattinson, Chris Tremaine and Scott Boland come to mind. There are others.
Nathan Lyon is our best performed finger spinner in history.
However, there are pitches where he could do with help. I like the idea of playing a leggie.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - crashlander - 12-31-2018
[3] The Sheffield Shield:
We HAD the best domestic cricket setup in the world. But it is not getting the support it should.
(a) test Players almost never play shield games any more.
(b) with the number of talented guys in the 20:20 circuit, the number of guys coming back to the Shield is dropping off. Guys are lured by the megabucks.
Many players are being picked on potential instead of shield performances. We can afford maybe one, but we can't afford as many as we have.
© The BBL is nice entertainment, but it is not helping the technique of our bats or bowlers. In fact, our bowlers use a number of tricks in shorter formats that they simply appear to forget about in test cricket. Slower balls anyone?
[4] Drop In Pitches:
One of the main reasons for our recent cricketing demise is our inability to handle our own pitches. Other countries appear to modify their pitches to suit their side, but it has been years since we have been able to achieve that. Bouncy pitches are now a rarity and it isn't helping.
(a) Each state used to produce pitches that were quite predictable. WA and Qld produced pitches where it bounced and was fast. It was a major advantage, especially for the first two tests. Adelaide bounced well enough, but it was a batsman's strip. Sydney was the pitch for spinners.
Now each pitch is quite similar: low, slow, somewhat two paced and they don't break up much. These pitches don't help us and certainly keep our spin bowlers from developing.
The Kiwis have made an art of producing pitches that favour their attack and their results show they are on the right track.
(b) With our pitches we don't see a lot of the moving ball. Our bats play spin poorly, and don't handle the swinging ball that well. If we don't improve and soon, the Poms are going to slaughter us!
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - flyboy77 - 12-31-2018
(12-31-2018, 12:06 AM)capcom link Wrote:... and Langer sticks with Finch for sydney >
They might s well give Finch a crack at playing where he should - at 5 or 6.
Khawja to open with Harris.
I'd have S Marsh at 3, Labuschagne at 4, Head at 5, Finch at 6 etc.
Personally, I wouldn't have picked Labuschagne....don't think he's ready or in good enough form.....averaging 28 at Shield level - he'll last 12 balls, if lucky. His bowling? Meh....
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=12452;type=tournament
Wade should get a go on form?
I'd plump for Stoinis or Henriques....and I'd happily drop Starc or Hazelwood for Tremain or Boland.....
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=12452;type=tournament
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 12-31-2018
Henriques is an average shield player, bowls junk. Game has passed him. Only got tests because he's from NSW.
Look to the future if we're picking on potential.
Renshaw to open. Burns into middle order. Play Maxwell at six or Stains.
Piss off Finch and both the Marsh chumps.
Drop, I mean rest, Starc and give somebody else a game.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - JonHenry - 12-31-2018
(12-31-2018, 01:28 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Henriques is an average shield player, bowls junk. Game has passed him. Only got tests because he's from NSW.
Look to the future if we're picking on potential.
Renshaw to open. Burns into middle order. Play Maxwell at six or Stains.
Piss off Finch and both the Marsh chumps.
Drop, I mean rest, Starc and give somebody else a game.
I like the idea of selecting a few openers.
I would look at Burns, Renshaw and Doolan.
Drop Finch and M Marsh.
Openers generally have straighter bats.
I think we need to revert back to the mid to late eighties and pick tougher types that will hold up an end.
Players are just too use to giving away their wickets cheaply and the above have all played longer innings previously.
We don’t have a world class player until smith comes back so pick the toughest players we can and tell the rest of the country you will need to average 45+ to get a look in.
Oh and who ever increased B.B. cricket to 8 weeks should be shot
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 12-31-2018
Langer dribbling off at the mouth again.
Finch is (a) horribly out of form (b) has a poor defensive technique he can't rely upon and © his mindset is shot, clear evidence being the get out shots he played in the last test.
I'm sure Aaron is working very hard Justin, but it isn't working. Time to give Aaron, and the team, a break.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Jack Burton - 12-31-2018
Just out of interest, I compared Marcus Harris after 6 innings with some of our best openers of recent times. After 6 innings:
Harris 177 runs at 29.5
Langer 172 at 28.7
Hayden 150 at 25.
By the way, Finch after 6 innings had 192 runs at 32. Now after 10 innings 278 at 27.8.
Not saying anyone is going to end up being as good as anyone else, but sometimes if you give blokes a go they can become great