Quote:Victoria’s curfew was put in place on August 2 to run from 8pm to 5am.

From September 14 it was loosened by former deputy public health commander Michelle Giles to 9pm to 5am and was due to expire on October 11.

Prof Giles had only spent nine days in the role when she signed off on the curfew and told the court she acted without any influence from Daniel Andrews or his office.

She said she made the decision based on government data that proved “a clear and direct correlation” between stage 4 restrictions and a reduction in case numbers.

However, that data remains secret data has not been tendered in court.

The Herald Sun reports that the lawyers representing the state government said they would resist the production of the data on public interest immunity grounds – which means the release of the documents would be against the public interest.

(09-23-2020, 12:30 AM)kruddler link Wrote:For the record, i'm not saying what he has done has been perfect. Nobody is.
Instead i'm saying i can understand the overall picture to a degree and i'm not arguing the modelling as that is your baby and i trust your judgement on those things.

Again, on the overall spectrum he has done well. Would he do some things different if he had his time again? Sure. Wouldn't everybody??

(09-22-2020, 11:28 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:We can discuss the politics and the politicians involved in all of this but we must also look into the public service and how well that is performing in terms of systems, people and technology in place to discharge its responsibilities,  in this case manage  a pandemic. I firmly believe it is sadly lacking and the problems we have witnessed are systemic.  Politicians should be focused on sorting them out as well as managing the current crisis and we, the public, should be kept fully informed and not lied to.

(09-23-2020, 07:45 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I hear people crapping on all the time about people not being in ICU during this crisis like thats all that matters.  Thing is, the ICU is no laughing matter, and just because they arent full, doesnt mean that if we let things go a bit further with COVID, they wouldnt be.

1.  ICU's are literally knife edge stuff.  If you are in one as a patient, you are either gone for all money, or are a slim chance of getting out alive.  They should be renamed Critical care units, but I think they don't want to panic people heading into them which is why they are branded ICU not CCU.

2.  The ICU's are not quick turnaround.  You dont go in one day, and then come out right as rain a couple of days after you aren't critical.  You go in on your death bed, and you end up in there for days on end in a life or death battle.  Sometimes the outcome of either can take days, weeks or months, and from what I understand we do quite well, but its no easy feat to be in an ICU.

3.  There arent as many ICU beds as everyone thinks there are.  I can tell you, that the network I work for, covers a very large catchment area, and based on additional spending we can maximise our ICU's at a grand total of 66 beds in 3 hospitals with emergency departments, and a host of others without any capability....  Food for thought, our catchment area is quite large and would have a couple of million people in it from Metropolitan Melbourne.

Sure, there are other options to flex into temporary setups, and private hospitals of which I am not aware of, but I can tell you now, that if the public understand that having 15+ patients in my network with covid is 25% of their capability to look after ANY patient requiring an ICU, then they might have a better understanding.  The ICU's are not generally packed, but they are never empty and from memory Ive never seen them less than 50% vacant at any one time.  I have only been into ICU few times during the COVID crisis, and on each occasion have seen at least a few COVID patients.  During this relatively mundane wave, there was a distinct panic about what it could potentially mean if things got out of hand with the exponential growth.

Food for thought.  Politicise this all you like, the hospital networks were struggling at one point, and there was some genuine issues with staffing the beds, irrespective of what people may have thought about hospital capacity.  Nurse to patient ratios are still a thing, and you cant open a bed if there is no one to look after the patient lying in there.

(09-23-2020, 07:45 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I hear people crapping on all the time about people not being in ICU during this crisis like thats all that matters.  Thing is, the ICU is no laughing matter, and just because they arent full, doesnt mean that if we let things go a bit further with COVID, they wouldnt be.

1.  ICU's are literally knife edge stuff.  If you are in one as a patient, you are either gone for all money, or are a slim chance of getting out alive.  They should be renamed Critical care units, but I think they don't want to panic people heading into them which is why they are branded ICU not CCU.

2.  The ICU's are not quick turnaround.  You dont go in one day, and then come out right as rain a couple of days after you aren't critical.  You go in on your death bed, and you end up in there for days on end in a life or death battle.  Sometimes the outcome of either can take days, weeks or months, and from what I understand we do quite well, but its no easy feat to be in an ICU.

3.  There arent as many ICU beds as everyone thinks there are.  I can tell you, that the network I work for, covers a very large catchment area, and based on additional spending we can maximise our ICU's at a grand total of 66 beds in 3 hospitals with emergency departments, and a host of others without any capability....  Food for thought, our catchment area is quite large and would have a couple of million people in it from Metropolitan Melbourne.

Sure, there are other options to flex into temporary setups, and private hospitals of which I am not aware of, but I can tell you now, that if the public understand that having 15+ patients in my network with covid is 25% of their capability to look after ANY patient requiring an ICU, then they might have a better understanding.  The ICU's are not generally packed, but they are never empty and from memory Ive never seen them less than 50% vacant at any one time.  I have only been into ICU few times during the COVID crisis, and on each occasion have seen at least a few COVID patients.  During this relatively mundane wave, there was a distinct panic about what it could potentially mean if things got out of hand with the exponential growth.

Food for thought.  Politicise this all you like, the hospital networks were struggling at one point, and there was some genuine issues with staffing the beds, irrespective of what people may have thought about hospital capacity.  Nurse to patient ratios are still a thing, and you cant open a bed if there is no one to look after the patient lying in there.