(05-17-2017, 10:19 AM)Koutz link Wrote:Why? Because the media tells you that you are better off with the establishment?

Please tell me what trump has done in the last 5 months since taking office that has effected you in a negitive way?

(05-17-2017, 10:19 AM)Koutz link Wrote:Why? Because the media tells you that you are better off with the establishment?

Please tell me what trump has done in the last 5 months since taking office that has effected you in a negitive way?

Quote:"One of the problems that Trump created for himself in removing Jim Comey is that he dramatically increased the list of things that Jim Comey is now allowed to talk about."

(05-17-2017, 07:34 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Whatever one may think of the establishment, voting as an FU to them is dopey. Just throwing votes away without any knowledge or care about the policies, consequences etc. If any Yank thinks they are better off with Trump than HC, well, there's not much to say to that.

(05-17-2017, 01:48 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:I'm not sure I agree with this.

The vote for trump was more of a vote against Hillary IMHO.

It does send a message, and does achieve something.  Give us better candidates.

4 years of pain for hopefully better standards moving forward.  One thing is certain.  No one will want this outcome ever again.

(05-17-2017, 09:10 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Fitness for office, ability to lead, actually being a professional politician (as opposed to a professional clown) are all the types of things voters ought be considering when they vote. I never liked Hilary, but she is infinitely more qualified to be President than Trump, and would do a much better job. The big FU is cheap satisfaction that rarely works.

(05-17-2017, 10:19 PM)mateinone link Wrote:You are right Paul that being an able and competent politician should be just about the most important factor... A criteria that doesn't gift anyone the role, but can preclude people from it, but I understand how Trump was voted in and the establishment needed a wake up and it is getting it world wide.
Where the governments have become complacent to the needs of the people and the people are saying they won't take it anymore. They won't allow governments to rip up what they have built their lives building.

I think an anti-establishment vote can though serve a real purpose and it might even do that in this case as well, if it doesn't bring down the US in the process, which is a serious possibility.. Or bring the world to war.

Hilary was an awful choice for president, so awful that to many people they would rather take the shake up and turmoil than to have her in the Oval Office. I wouldn't have wanted to vote for her either if I stayed there and I would only vote Democrat.

The perfect scenario is that Trump is impeached or resigns from office soon, before too much damage is done. Someone (anyone sensible) takes over from him to see out the term and both parties take something from this. I hope the Democrats take from it that they need an alternative nominee and the Republicans... well most are inbred so I am not sure they will learn much, but anything is possible.

(05-17-2017, 10:32 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:She's a crazy neo-con, a war monger. Evil personified. A New World Order type, as was Obama sadly.

That said, Trump now seems to be (largely) playing to the same songbook?

(05-17-2017, 10:32 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:She's a crazy neo-con, a war monger. Evil personified. A New World Order type, as was Obama sadly.

That said, Trump now seems to be (largely) playing to the same songbook?