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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - mateinone - 09-22-2020

(09-22-2020, 01:51 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:NSW went to court to make it illegal didnt they?

They did and the rally had it overturned at the court of appeals

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 09-22-2020

(09-21-2020, 11:59 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Fair enough baggers but to MBB's point, why did the Gov let the BLM protest go ahead when clearly it was not in the best interests of the community from a H&S point of view given the circumstances. Everyone has a right to protest, however there are circumstances where it should be stopped and postponed during states of emergency.

When I said c0ckheads who stuff it up for everyone else, that as far as I'm concerned, includes all protestors as well as the other clowns who just flagrantly break rules to visit mates or whateverthefck. And I sure don't think that Dan should have let that go ahead... no excuses. Like those other d1ckheads who got off without a fine recently... Dan only cr@ps in his own bed when his rules are so easily bent or compromised. Yes, everyone has the right to protest... but not when you endanger other lives/breaks the rules. If protestors have half a brain they can easily realise that there are many ways for them to get their message across without rooting up things for others during a pandemic, FFS. Sometimes I think some protestors are nothing more than malcontents who just want to have a whinge - and they fck it up for the ridgy didge folks... but that's an argument for another day.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 09-22-2020

(09-22-2020, 01:23 AM)LP link Wrote:Only if you broke the rules.

Is that post a bit of a tell about your position on political activism? ;D

btw., I'm not condemning you one way or the other, but I worry that many so called activists want to hide behind claims of social responsibility when they see fit. Ironically, through doing so, they are actually acting subversively in much the way that they accuse the authorities of being!

Social activism succeeds by being overt not covert, Gandhi would have been a dud if he had lied about his political position.

I haven't broke the rules, I actually don't know of anyone who has despite dictator Dan saying we all know someone who has.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 09-22-2020

It may be me becoming an old curmudgeon but I am sick of political expediency overruling principle these days. OK it's probably always been an issue but it seems to have become much worse in recent times. Too much lying, deception and excuse making.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 09-22-2020

(09-22-2020, 02:23 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:I haven't broke the rules, I actually don't know of anyone who has despite dictator Dan saying we all know someone who has.

There is some irony in protesters wearing bandanna face masks while protesting face masks, which I believe is now breaking the law in Australia.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 09-22-2020

I'm sick of all the political talk and grandstanding that runs along as a sideshow with COVID, specifically with Dan Andrews.

People form an opinion based on which way they vote and what their party says.....and ignore the other side of things. A lot of the anti-Dan is simply anti-labour (not all mind you) dressed up in different clothing.

I think it was GI2C who said its not about labour/liberal, its about doing the job from the position we are in and ultimately how that shapes up to people in power around the world.

That is why i give him a B+. OK, he was 2 weeks to slow to jump on the second wave. 2 weeks. Donald Trump (an extreme example i admit) is what, 7 months too slow to do anything about it so far. China, Italy, England....how slow were they by comparison?

If you mapped out how each leader handled it, he'd be near the pointy end (Hence B+) based on infections, actions and communication.
Again, Perfect? No. But point to someone who has been perfect. Even if there is, there is still a Donald Trump on the other end of the spectrum.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 09-22-2020

(09-22-2020, 07:48 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I'm sick of all the political talk and grandstanding that runs along as a sideshow with COVID, specifically with Dan Andrews.

People form an opinion based on which way they vote and what their party says.....and ignore the other side of things. A lot of the anti-Dan is simply anti-labour (not all mind you) dressed up in different clothing.

I think it was GI2C who said its not about labour/liberal, its about doing the job from the position we are in and ultimately how that shapes up to people in power around the world.

That is why i give him a B+. OK, he was 2 weeks to slow to jump on the second wave. 2 weeks. Donald Trump (an extreme example i admit) is what, 7 months too slow to do anything about it so far. China, Italy, England....how slow were they by comparison?

If you mapped out how each leader handled it, he'd be near the pointy end (Hence B+) based on infections, actions and communication.
Again, Perfect? No. But point to someone who has been perfect. Even if there is, there is still a Donald Trump on the other end of the spectrum.

Absolutely shouldnt be a political issue K, this is a crisis which requires every man woman and child to do their bit and be unified for the safety of all. It lasted for a little while here in Vic, but as soon as the Libs smelt blood, it was on like donkey kong and quite frankly it makes me sick (pardon the pun). Perhaps I'm naive to think it not about politics, I just like to think that during times like these, community spirit can rise to the top. Obviously not.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 09-22-2020

(09-22-2020, 02:44 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:It may be me becoming an old curmudgeon but I am sick of political expediency overruling principle these days. OK it's probably always been an issue but it seems to have become much worse in recent times. Too much lying, deception and excuse making.

Side by side with you on that one, Fluffy One. It's the most vulgar of opportunism that there is. Sadly, it will likely only get worse... many are buoyed by the Orange Rodent's success through lying and manipulation. We live in times when it would appear that Machiavelli is reborn.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 09-22-2020

(09-22-2020, 08:30 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Absolutely shouldnt be a political issue K, this is a crisis which requires every man woman and child to do their bit and be unified for the safety of all. It lasted for a little while here in Vic, but as soon as the Libs smelt blood, it was on like donkey kong and quite frankly it makes me sick (pardon the pun). Perhaps I'm naive to think it not about politics, I just like to think that during times like these, community spirit can rise to the top. Obviously not.

Sad but true, GTC. I don't even know the name of the leader of the Libs here in Victoria, but, sheesh, as you point out... as soon as a few things went wrong this bloke slithers out of the shadows and tries to score points.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - mateinone - 09-22-2020

(09-22-2020, 07:48 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I'm sick of all the political talk and grandstanding that runs along as a sideshow with COVID, specifically with Dan Andrews.

But isn't it also grandstanding or politicizing to suggest than anyone that thinks Dan should be gone is irrational?
Not a dig, just a question.

Quote:People form an opinion based on which way they vote and what their party says.....and ignore the other side of things. A lot of the anti-Dan is simply anti-labour (not all mind you) dressed up in different clothing.

Would that include me, who is very vocal about poor Dan has been? Despite that fact I consider myself in the middle, I am in the middle left and if there were two equal candidates would vote labour. The 4 best politicians in my life from a Victorian or Federal level have been Bob Hawke, Little Johnny Howard, Jeff Kennett and Steve Bracks. 2 x ALP, 2 x Lib... but I was absolutely ALP in those days and would never have voted for Kennett or Howard.

Quote:I think it was GI2C who said its not about labour/liberal, its about doing the job from the position we are in and ultimately how that shapes up to people in power around the world.

Well does it need to be compared to people around the world.
I mea I can't name so many other countries with the geographical situation of Victoria. No internationals (at all) after we stopped receiving them, there are not random boat people arriving on the shores of Portsea. We have almost non existant border breaches and that is with states who already have it completely under control.

We had a virus with known infection rates completely under control, failed to quarantine it and then failed to act.

Quote:That is why i give him a B+. OK, he was 2 weeks to slow to jump on the second wave. 2 weeks. Donald Trump (an extreme example i admit) is what, 7 months too slow to do anything about it so far. China, Italy, England....how slow were they by comparison?

If you mapped out how each leader handled it, he'd be near the pointy end (Hence B+) based on infections, actions and communication.
Again, Perfect? No. But point to someone who has been perfect. Even if there is, there is still a Donald Trump on the other end of the spectrum.

I don't even know why Donald Trump would be used in any comparison, or Putin or Iraq's leaders etc.
I can't make an argument that Papa Doc was an B+ leader because he wasn't Stalin for example.
I am not actually comparing Stalin with Trump or Papa Doc with Dan, I am just stating you can't make a comparison here. They have different powers, run vastly different geographical areas and even then, you are comparing with the worst.

What about in comparison to
Annastacia Palaszczuk
Gladys Berejiklian
Mark McGowan etc

And if you really want an international leader, how close is Dan to Jacinta Arden?

Your language suggests that 2 weeks is well not such a big deal, even when I suggest there is quite a reasonable chance that more than 50% of infections in the 2nd wave could still have been avoided by acting more quickly.

And btw I think 2 weeks is being extremely generous to Dan, in reality he should have acted as early as 21-25 days sooner than he did. I am using that as the base timeline in my modelling, because it is that time by which he absolutely had no excuses at all, could be under no illusion at all, that this was community wide and a major infection requiring more than wet lettuce responses.

At this stage we were already almost double the total of new cases at any stage within a 7 day period in the first wave which was 506 in the week. By the time we actually went into lockdown we were at 3177 cases over the previous 7 days for Victoria.

I have no issue with you ranking him a B+ Krud, but I take issue if for example you were in any way suggesting my messages are politically bias.
I genuinely think he has down an extremely awful job and almost certainly at least 300 (and probably over 400) of the lives lost, could have been saved with early action, against data that was irrefutable.

So yes it is okay for your B+, I accept it as a reasonable representation of how you feel, but I certainly disagree.