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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - mateinone - 09-21-2020

(09-21-2020, 11:39 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:He lied and was caught out when the ADF said they had the manpower and the offer was made. Its going to cost him his job IMHO next election...

I thought so also, but a weak liberal party and the fact we will come out of this virus with low numbers compared to global numbers might just save him.
Come election time, many people are going to look at how are living hopefully virus free and that will be a feather in his cap, I can't see the liberal party using the slogan "Dan killed 400 people" in an election and winning too many votes.

I was pretty sure he would be gone, but reading commentary of some who still have such a blind unquestioning faith in him, I am not so convinced now.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 09-21-2020

(09-21-2020, 11:05 PM)Baggers link Wrote:To be fair, he didn't blame all of us, just the c0ckheads who blatantly broke the rules and spread the virus. What did happen, though, is that we ALL suffered due to the stupidity of some and as we're now learning, also, the incompetence of tracing equipment, quarantining and elements of government.
Fair enough baggers but to MBB's point, why did the Gov let the BLM protest go ahead when clearly it was not in the best interests of the community from a H&S point of view given the circumstances. Everyone has a right to protest, however there are circumstances where it should be stopped and postponed during states of emergency.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 09-22-2020

(09-21-2020, 11:52 PM)mateinone link Wrote:I thought so also, but a weak liberal party and the fact we will come out of this virus with low numbers compared to global numbers might just save him.
Come election time, many people are going to look at how are living hopefully virus free and that will be a feather in his cap, I can't see the liberal party using the slogan "Dan killed 400 people" in an election and winning too many votes.

I was pretty sure he would be gone, but reading commentary of some who still have such a blind unquestioning faith in him, I am not so convinced now.
I personally am not looking at this from a Lib Lab Green etc point of view, I am simply making a judgement on the actions of the man in charge right now.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - mateinone - 09-22-2020

(09-22-2020, 12:01 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I personally am not looking at this from a Lib Lab Green etc point of view, I am simply making a judgement on the actions of the man in charge right now.

Oh I am the same.. Personally unless there is a considerable change in the way the government handles this next few weeks, I will be voting again ALP, I don't know if it will be for liberal, but it won't be for Dan.

But it appears many people predisposed to the ALP will stick fat and there will be a number of swing votes that will wear the lie that he saved us in this 2nd wave, when in reality it would not have been hard for anyone in charge to have done a better job, as unenviable as that job is.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 09-22-2020

Has anyone else seen the timeline that I have seen?

Generally every single time Dan "lied" the timeline points to ADF support being granted in June, about 2 days before we stopped quarantining return travellers which sort of lends weight to the point that perhaps ADF support was on offer, but Andrews wasnt aware and that he isnt lying about it.

Every single "he lied" article people have shared has faulty timelines that point to ADF support being requested and granted in late June, about 3 days before the decision was made to re-route return travellers away from Melbourne when 2nd wave had already taken hold.

Context is extremely important in these discussions and I think it gets lost in a lot of hyperbole including the "Andrews blames Victorians", which I think would be a paraphrase or interpretation of comments he made describing how this all unfolded.

Anyway, Im generally Apolitical.  They are all thieves.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 09-22-2020

(09-21-2020, 11:59 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Fair enough baggers but to MBB's point, why did the Gov let the BLM protest go ahead when clearly it was not in the best interests of the community from a H&S point of view given the circumstances. Everyone has a right to protest, however there are circumstances where it should be stopped and postponed during states of emergency.

There are a few reasons.

1.  Imagine seeing police enforcement of that protest in much the same way we saw at Vic Market. 

2.  At the time our case numbers were all in the right direction.  He didn't actually green light the protest, and implored everyone to stay home an do the right thing.  I remember seeing him state it in the media.

3.  Optics.  Had he come out and lambasted the BLM movement, he would simply have been another sight of the oppressive white man not allowing native people their right in public.

Its very understandable why this unfolded the way it did unless you have an agenda to push against Andrews.  Personally I don't care but this one is a really big stretch to criticise him on.  It just doesnt fit the narrative unless you want it to.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/worried-about-coronavirus-daniel-andrews-urges-victorians-to-avoid-black-lives-matter-rally



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 09-22-2020

(09-21-2020, 10:57 PM)madbluboy date Wrote:Then the prick had the gall to blame all of us.
Only if you broke the rules.

Is that post a bit of a tell about your position on political activism? ;D

btw., I'm not condemning you one way or the other, but I worry that many so called activists want to hide behind claims of social responsibility when they see fit. Ironically, through doing so, they are actually acting subversively in much the way that they accuse the authorities of being!

Social activism succeeds by being overt not covert, Gandhi would have been a dud if he had lied about his political position. Wink


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Professer E - 09-22-2020

Nobody let the BLM go ahead. That went head anyway,  and from memory the three organisers copped hefty fines. What was he supposed to do,  go in batons flailing?  Great optics there.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - mateinone - 09-22-2020

BLM, they should have made it clear they would be fining protestors
A ban in NSW of course was overturned by the Court of Appeals, so chances are we would have found ourselves in a similar fate in Victoria.
But, the optics were very poor and certainly making it clear that people would be fined would have reduced the crowd numbers, it was an idiotic time for the rally, regardless of the cause.
To be clear though, as dangerous as the protest was, on the scale of impact on the virus and the length of the lockdowns, there is not a lot of evidence to suggest it ended up having a significant impact, which is surprising.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 09-22-2020

(09-22-2020, 01:38 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Nobody let the BLM go ahead. That went head anyway,  and from memory the three organisers copped hefty fines. What was he supposed to do,  go in batons flailing?  Great optics there.
NSW went to court to make it illegal didnt they?