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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 05-16-2017
(05-16-2017, 06:25 AM)Lods link Wrote:Just flick between Fox and CNN, they're together on the Foxtel dial...you'll get a balanced view. ;D
I'm cannot afford luxury items like Foxtel, I listen to the AM radio! :-[
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - PaulP - 05-16-2017
(05-16-2017, 08:04 AM)LP link Wrote:I'm cannot afford luxury items like Foxtel, I listen to the AM radio! :-[
Don't worry, Trump will look after you.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - thrunthrublu - 05-16-2017
Hillary clinton is a great person worthy of a nobel peace prize.
Her work with the clinton foundation was exemplary, raising billions along with the IRC for the haitian
people in their time of desperate need. Her tireless work restored all the damaged services and housing shelters. The Haitian people owe a debt of gratitude to the Clinton family.
Then lets not forget her vision for the middle east, giving the oppresed people of libya their country back from the tyrant leader quaddafi. Libya today is a model country of new found democracy, thriving education and human rights.
Lets all raise a glass to hillary ...here here 2020.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 05-16-2017
Well, Lods, looks like Trump isn't denying it now. He says he did the right thing by telling the Russians. Looks like General McMaster has been left high and dry. Who'd want to be part of Trump's team and being asked to front the press to give a trumped up cover story ... it'd be a bit like being sent over the top of the trenches in WW1 ;D
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 05-16-2017
(05-16-2017, 12:15 PM)Mav link Wrote:Well, Lods, looks like Trump isn't denying it now. He says he did the right thing by telling the Russians. Looks like General McMaster has been left high and dry. Who'd want to be part of Trump's team and being asked to front the press to give a trumped up cover story ... it'd be a bit like being sent over the top of the trenches in WW1 ;D
I don't think they ever denied the sharing of the information.
What they denied was that because of that release of information sources could be readily identified.
Quote:LT. GEN. H.R. McMASTER, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: I have a brief statement for the record. There is nothing that the president takes more seriously than the security of the American people. The story that came out tonight as reported is false. The president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation.
At no time, at no time, where intelligent sources or methods discussed. And the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known. Two other senior officials who were present, including the Secretary of the State, remember the meeting the same way and have said so. Their on the record accounts should outweigh anonymous sources. I was in the room. It didn't happen.
Now that's probably a half story but it's consistent with Trumps tweets
The suggestion is that by sharing the information that has put those sources at risk...and that's quite probable.
But unless you have a transcript of the actual conversations we don't know the extent and nature of what Trump actually disclosed.
The more intriguing question is where the leak to the Post came from given there were few of Trumps folk at the meeting...and the answer to that is quite possibly from the Russians who must be beside themselves with the chaos.
Another black mark for Trump, but as we've seen (unlike most politicians) collective black marks don't seem to stick to this bloke. Anyone else would be finished long ago!
This fellow needs an extra special error, most probably an illegal one, or he'll just roll along leaving his associates in his wake.
Hopefully that error doesn't have huge collateral damage.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 05-16-2017
Quote:As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorismSeems pretty clear he concedes sharing confidential info with the Russians. If not, he would have merely stated that there were discussions concerning security issues but no confidential info was disclosed. The reference to his "absolute right" to do this seems to refer to the exemption POTUS has from the prohibitions in the Espionage Act.
No denial, either, that he ID'd the city in which the intelligence was gathered. And the general nature of threats could be discussed without disclosing that detail. Nor did he deny that the ally stipulated that the intelligence wasn't to be revealed to other countries and the info had therefore been withheld from the actual allies of the US. Or should I accept that Russia is an ally of the US, or Trump ...
So we actually have no denials from either Trump or McMaster. McMaster denied merely something that wasn't alleged and Trump denied nothing.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 05-16-2017
By the way, if indeed Trump burnt Mossad, that will exacerbate existing suspicions the Israelis might have had that Trump could leak to the Russians and from there Iran might be informed: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4906642,00.html.
I'd imagine that the US would suffer greatly if Mossad ceases to cooperate with the CIA.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 05-16-2017
(05-16-2017, 01:50 PM)Mav link Wrote:By the way, if indeed Trump burnt Mossad, that will exacerbate existing suspicions the Israelis might have had that Trump could leak to the Russians and from there Iran might be informed: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4906642,00.html.
I'd imagine that the US would suffer greatly if Mossad ceases to cooperate with the CIA.
Trump won't suffer if he's burned Mossad, it'll be very quick!
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 05-16-2017
True :lol:
By the way, I went to Briebart to get the right-wing nut job perspective on this fiasco and there's nothing on it at all. Seems it didn't happen. But there is a story about Clinton's emails, a rehash of the conspiracy theory over the death of one of her campaign workers ;D
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 05-16-2017
Well we're not talking about the Russians in the Oval office today...It's back to Comey :
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html?_r=0