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Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 08-05-2024
(08-05-2024, 05:07 AM)Lods date Wrote:Curnow is one of our longest and most accurate kicks.Accuracy and outcomes won't improve with distance and angle.
If either Charlie or Harry are "Home Alone" while the other roams D50 or rucks they are against 2 or 3 permanent defenders, it's pointless fans complaining they aren't kicking bags of goals because the root cause is obvious.
Expecting them to maintain high levels of accuracy out beyond 50m and in many cases from the boundary is ridiculous.
If you want them to mark the high ball closer to goal you have to generate one on one contests, you don't get that by leaving them alone against 2 or 3.
If you want them to mark on the lead inside F50 you have to create space, you do that by having a 2nd genuine marking option drawing defenders and creating space, not by having the other genuine marking options watching on from 80m away!
If you went to Steven May and Jake Lever before a game against us, and said we will make sure that one of Charlie or Harry are 80m away every time the ball heads into our zone, they'd say, "Thank-you very much kind Sir for all your assistance!"
We have two genuine Coleman Medallists, and we are basically ruling a line through one or the other pretty much every other F50 entry, it's sheer stupidity.
We are doing this to ourselves!
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - kruddler - 08-05-2024
(08-05-2024, 04:59 AM)LP link Wrote:Forward half at the MCG can be +80m from goal at the spine, +100m if you are out at the boundary.Yeah, i've seen your explanations. I wouldn't be reminding everyone of them, i'm happy to repost them and all their inaccuracies if you wish. Not surprisngly you 'ostriched it' as usual.
[member=105]Thryleon[/member] has already explained to you, as have I on many occasions, why there is nothing wrong with the numbers. It's how they are interpreted and the meaning being applied to them by various people that can be completely bogus!
As for where they got the ball, look at the AFL app, its there for all to see. Given you regularly want your key forwards leading up to the wing to provide a target coming out of defense, the fact its 100% and 77% inside forward half is remarkable. I'd expect that to be a lot less on a given day, especially since Harry was rucking as well.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - PaulP - 08-05-2024
Coaches' votes :
9 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
6 Scott Pendlebury (COLL)
5 Nick Daicos (COLL)
3 George Hewett (CARL)
3 Darcy Cameron (COLL)
2 Jeremy Howe (COLL)
1 Darcy Moore (COLL)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)
In a way, I'm super happy for Cripps. He deserves all the awards and success he gets. In another way, I really wish we had others taking votes off him. We had a great patch where we had contributions across the board. We now seem to have gone back to "No Cripps, Walsh, Weitering etc, no Carlton."
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 08-05-2024
(08-05-2024, 04:54 AM)kruddler date Wrote:Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Charlie got 100% of his possessions in our forward half.
Harry got 77% of his in the the forward half as well.
(08-05-2024, 05:20 AM)kruddler date Wrote:the fact its 100% and 77% inside F50 is remarkable. I'd expect that to be a lot less on a given day, especially since Harry was rucking as well.Thanks for that.
Saves me going back to older posts to highlight your behaviour, you delivered this in just the space of 5 messages, and you do it all the time, making little tweaks to your "Facts" while asserting everybody else is posting crap!
I'll just keep quoting your messages for eternity and highlighting your "Facts" until people wake up to your gaslighting behaviour!
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - kruddler - 08-05-2024
(08-05-2024, 05:28 AM)LP link Wrote:Thanks for that.
Saves me going back to older posts to highlight your behaviour, you delivered this in just the space of 5 messages, and you do it all the time, making little tweaks to your "Facts" while asserting everybody else is posting crap!
You've never made an error?
(You don't need to answer that, we know the answer)
If thats your big 'gotcha' moment, i feel sorry for you.
Again, don't make me bring up your 'facts' - ostrich.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 08-05-2024
(08-05-2024, 05:30 AM)kruddler date Wrote:You've never made an error?I forgive mistakes, I also admit them, but it's not a mistake with you as it happens too often.
(You don't need to answer that, we know the answer)
If thats your big 'gotcha' moment, i feel sorry for you.
Again, don't make me bring up your 'facts' - ostrich.
You go to war over lies that you post, and then when things get tough you start making personal slurs.
I'll give you the last say, because it's the only way you shut up.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - pew2 - 08-05-2024
once again how many years have been saying until we get rid OF THE long bomb IN OUR GAME NOTHING WILL CHANGE. AGAINST PORT KICK TO THE wings only to comeback so against ferals same scenario i blame coaching staff for not trying something new.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - kruddler - 08-05-2024
(08-05-2024, 05:34 AM)LP link Wrote:I forgive mistakes, I also admit them, but it's not a mistake with you as it happens too often.Did i not just admit it and fixed the error. Its a typing error, (forward 50 instead of forward half, as i wrote immediately before which you highlighted. It is not a statistical one.
You go to war over lies that you post, and then when things get tough you start making personal slurs.
Your errors are mathematical ones. You even went as far to suggest i seek some assistance in working them out.
Suprirse surprise you were wrong. Did you admit it? No, you ostriched it as always.
Don't recall....
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=6929.msg419803#msg419803
So you were saying....
(08-05-2024, 05:34 AM)LP link Wrote:I forgive mistakes, I also admit themI see no evidence of either.
Don't bother about responding. I don't care.
Just stop making stuff up. Stop trying to play the man and nit pick innocent errors and focus on the actual points being made.
You are one step away from 'they're their there' point scoring tactics. :
You never stick to the debate on hand and always go off on a tangent to 'cover your mistakes'.
For the record, i'm not the only one who notices you go missing when you are incorrect.
Others have called you out on it too.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Milhanna13 - 08-05-2024
(08-05-2024, 03:55 AM)LP link Wrote:Some people will give Saad votes, but he had a Barry Crocker, I wouldn't guess but I suspect a significant percentage of Saad's own possessions were fixing his feck ups. He'll get credit for that and he'll get votes, but it burns opportunities, by the time he's fixed things the opposition are set and we can't score.
In recent weeks he has defended well, but his ball use has become Boweresque, the fans need to lay off the Whoosh as it's gone to his head.
Players 5m away from the nearest opponent(or anybody) dropping chest marks, sure they clean it up but the wasted seconds are terminal.
Blokes in unhindered clear space tripping over the footy, nobody in the vicinity, pick the fecking thing up before anything else!
was thinking, during the game, that saad doesnt get off the chain like he used to. isnt taking on defenders and isnt trying to pierce the oppo with his kicks. on the other side, yes, he was uncharacteristically sloppy
the number of fumbles and dropped easy marks, esp in defense, really stood out. maybe just one of those nights. it is catching once it starts. it both cost goals to them, as well as putting a halt to a scoring chain for us
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - kruddler - 08-05-2024
(08-05-2024, 07:04 AM)Milhanna13 link Wrote:was thinking, during the game, that saad doesnt get off the chain like he used to. isnt taking on defenders and isnt trying to pierce the oppo with his kicks. on the other side, yes, he was uncharacteristically sloppy
the number of fumbles and dropped easy marks, esp in defense, really stood out. maybe just one of those nights. it is catching once it starts. it both cost goals to them, as well as putting a halt to a scoring chain for us
Saad is playing injured.
Every week he stays down for longer than he should and is under duress.
Not sure the nature of it, other than 'leg', but he is far from 100% IMO.
I'm surprised he is as effective as he has been considering his legs are his weapon.