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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-15-2024
(07-15-2024, 01:02 AM)LP link Wrote:That's not the point, the mix doesn't matter it's the sharing of the load that gets a team across the line. We mentioned many times in the past if we don't find ways to share the load we will run the likes of Cripps prematurely into the ground.Bont did a lot of the monkey work pushing the ball out to other players because he was covered and I think he led the tackle count too with nine and had eight clearances as well, he was kept under wraps by Cincotta and friends but still found a way to contribute and is a class act.
As for having a substitute Cripps, it's a fantasy, there is no "other Cripps".
Good tradespeople look after their tools.
Fog, Walsh, Cincotta, etc., can do what gets done to Cripps, and harass, chase and dump the likes of Bont or others. At the weekend, Bont often stood of the back of the stoppages and played a sweeper role, coming in as the 2nd or 3rd player, and he was doing so largely unchecked.
We had a lot of players get a lot of ball and led most stats but it never looked that way in the game and Im sure Voss and crew will be scratching their heads trying to figure how we lost if you look at the stats in isolation but as we know its more about the big moments in the game than amassing cheap stats.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Baggers - 07-15-2024
(07-15-2024, 01:02 AM)LP link Wrote:That's not the point, the mix doesn't matter it's the sharing of the load that gets a team across the line. We mentioned many times in the past if we don't find ways to share the load we will run the likes of Cripps prematurely into the ground.
As for having a substitute Cripps, it's a fantasy, there is no "other Cripps".
Good tradespeople look after their tools.
Fog, Walsh, Cincotta, etc., can do what gets done to Cripps, and harass, chase and dump the likes of Bont or others. At the weekend, Bont often stood of the back of the stoppages and played a sweeper role, coming in as the 2nd or 3rd player, and he was doing so largely unchecked.
Yes, good trades people look after their tools. Better trades people look after their tools and also use the right tools for the job.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Thryleon - 07-15-2024
(07-15-2024, 03:43 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Bont did a lot of the monkey work pushing the ball out to other players because he was covered and I think he led the tackle count too with nine and had eight clearances as well, he was kept under wraps by Cincotta and friends but still found a way to contribute and is a class act.
We had a lot of players get a lot of ball and led most stats but it never looked that way in the game and Im sure Voss and crew will be scratching their heads trying to figure how we lost if you look at the stats in isolation but as we know its more about the big moments in the game than amassing cheap stats.
I reckon based on the presser and efficiency comments voss is aware of where it went wrong. Doing not much with a lot is what I take out of it. They were on top for most of it, we had our chances and kept taking the wrong options which hurts. We did the right thing early applying scoreboard pressure when they didn't but it started falling apart when Williams went off which is why we might look at more creative better users next week against North. Martin might feature. I think we should consider it given its a relative free hit.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-15-2024
(07-15-2024, 05:03 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I reckon based on the presser and efficiency comments voss is aware of where it went wrong. Doing not much with a lot is what I take out of it. They were on top for most of it, we had our chances and kept taking the wrong options which hurts. We did the right thing early applying scoreboard pressure when they didn't but it started falling apart when Williams went off which is why we might look at more creative better users next week against North. Martin might feature. I think we should consider it given its a relative free hit.Agree, wouldnt call myself a rusted on Martin fan but his best is very good and he usually plays a couple of decent games coming back from injury and while his form in the twos wasnt anything special I think he will present more problems to Nth than Motlop or Fantasia and would see him a more suitable replacement for ZW and Id be taking the gamble.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - PaulP - 07-15-2024
Coaches' votes :
9 Bailey Dale (WB)
9 Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (WB)
6 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
4 Rhylee West (WB)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)
1 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - LP - 07-15-2024
(07-15-2024, 05:03 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:We did the right thing early applying scoreboard pressure when they didn't but it started falling apart when Williams went off .............A lot of fans still want to pot him, but Williams has some presence when we do and when we don't have the footy, some of the other forwards should take notice because behind BigH and Charlie I think Williams is quickly looking like the next selected each week.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Baggers - 07-15-2024
With Mrs Baggers away for the week on work, yours truly has indulged himself today in watching a few replays of our games over the past month or so.
Apart from what has been written about thus far, one other thing stood out - niceness. Watching us against GWS & the Dishlickers was like watching a different side against, say, the Pussycats. In the past coupla weeks, gone is the ruthless hunting, boldness and cold efficiency. Crikey, when the Pussycats came at us (in the 3rd) we came back at them like an avalanche (9gl last qtr). When challenged by the Dishlickers and GWS... meekness, niceness, timidness. Tried, but with no authority or conviction.
Fortunately, and hopefully, all is not lost... shouldn't take much to regain and even build on the boldness, hunting and ruthlessness... and kick the meekness, confusion and niceness to the shizen. Coaches, time for sternness, sharp focus and challenge to our chargers, yourselves, and the MC... player not in good form? - FO. We have it in us.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Professer E - 07-15-2024
I'm wondering if the Bullies used a few tricky tactics on Weeters and others (at stoppages) such as a lot of marginal blocks and holds. Id rather we got exposed to crap like that in season and get an opportunity to be educated by it, rather that flunk against it in October/September.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - BluePhantom - 07-15-2024
(07-15-2024, 07:25 AM)Professer E link Wrote:I'm wondering if the Bullies used a few tricky tactics on Weeters and others (at stoppages) such as a lot of marginal blocks and holds. Id rather we got exposed to crap like that in season and get an opportunity to be educated by it, rather that flunk against it in October/September.Maybe another umpire on the field might be able to pick up all this illegal off the ball stuff?
The other four just seem to be ball watching or checking the crazy hand signals from the other lime green, pink maggot.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-15-2024
(07-15-2024, 07:25 AM)Professer E link Wrote:I'm wondering if the Bullies used a few tricky tactics on Weeters and others (at stoppages) such as a lot of marginal blocks and holds. Id rather we got exposed to crap like that in season and get an opportunity to be educated by it, rather that flunk against it in October/September.I thought Ugle Hagan gave up trying to outmuscle JW where he got out marked every contest, got on the move and tested those corkies by making him run a bit more and chase him around. When that happens you have to be prepared to make the move and stick a more mobile player on the FF. He did get blocked at times but I felt the Dogs change in tactics was more of an issue, I saw Marchbank picking up West at one stage and then saw they had taken Darcy off and were running a smaller forward line and we didnt adjust.