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Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - kruddler - 06-15-2024
(06-15-2024, 12:48 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Most of the time players influence the game without a stat. That's extremely difficult to determine.
There is something you can find on the AFL app in regards to players and running.
Lists the top 5 in a few different stats, none of which appear on your traditional stat sheet, but its tracked none-the-less.
Distance covered.
Distance covered at high speed
Speed (max)
Speed (avg)
Total Sprints
Repeat Sprints
Average speed in attack
Average speed in defense
....and there is team work rate (attack and defense) and a variety of other things.
,.....and thats just some of the stuff we know about.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - Thryleon - 06-15-2024
(06-15-2024, 01:27 AM)kruddler link Wrote:There is something you can find on the AFL app in regards to players and running.you don't have to move to influence a game. It's about filling space, making a contest or providing an exit kick and being ignored. Some of it is completely incapable of being tracked. Last night I watched Rowan Marshall lead Harris Andrews out of defense with a strong lead up to the ball carrier on the wing. He didn't turn back when the first lead wasn't honoured. He turned left and led hard to the pocket dragging Harris Andrews out of the defensive fifty with him which leaves king without the greatest fullback of the last 3 years on his clacker. So his two sprints ignored the most important part of it. That's the point I'm making.
Lists the top 5 in a few different stats, none of which appear on your traditional stat sheet, but its tracked none-the-less.
Distance covered.
Distance covered at high speed
Speed (max)
Speed (avg)
Total Sprints
Repeat Sprints
Average speed in attack
Average speed in defense
....and there is team work rate (attack and defense) and a variety of other things.
,.....and thats just some of the stuff we know about.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - pinot - 06-15-2024
(06-14-2024, 11:28 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Carlton is a much better turnover team when De Koning is playing as a sole ruck. According to Champion Data, the team's scores from turnover differential is -5.3 when Pittonet is paired with De Koning, but +25.4 when De Koning plays alone.
I have been saying that since Pitto played two games and started losing games.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - pinot - 06-15-2024
(06-14-2024, 11:04 PM)Lods link Wrote:The question that stems from that then Kruds, is this.... if all that is true.
Should we question a coaching group, armed with University level stats, who goes with two rucks instead of one, based on our primary school level info?
I think thats unfair - we may not have played at the highest level but sure as hell have watched a thousand games.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - Lods - 06-15-2024
(06-15-2024, 11:47 AM)pinot link Wrote:I think thats unfair - we may not have played at the highest level but sure as hell have watched a thousand games.
I'm probably right up there for games watched.
And we still can't get agreement.
Just to clarify...the University v Primary level was referring to the access to statistics...not anyone's football nous.
The coaches have access to statistics we don't. They make judgements and changes (right or wrong) based partly on these.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - PaulP - 06-15-2024
It has to be about more than access to statistics. If our coaching staff have the same footy knowledge and footy IQ as a few big mouths on social media, then we are seriously wasting our time and money, and the club should pack it in and go and play in some dust bowl league out in the boonies, where the local waste collection guy is the coach, physio, high performance manager, list boss………
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - Lods - 06-15-2024
(06-15-2024, 10:14 PM)PaulP link Wrote:It has to be about more than access to statistics. If our coaching staff have the same footy knowledge and footy IQ as a few big mouths on social media, then we are seriously wasting our time and money, and the club should pack it in and go and play in some dust bowl league out in the boonies, where the local waste collection guy is the coach, physio, high performance manager, list boss………
Yep
Of course it's more than stats....even advanced ones.
Naturally they play a part in some decisions and the coaches have access to better ones than we have but...
Our head coach has 289 playing games.
He has around 15 years experience as a senior or assistant coach.
Add the experience of our other assistants.
Then add an in depth knowledge of the playing group.
-their strengths and weaknesses
-their injury and form situation at any one time
-priorities they may be working on at any given time.
-what their training loads look like
- development plans.
-how players fit in the team structure and roles they play
-team balance considerations
- opposition strengths and weaknesses in up coming games
-proposed match-ups
-personal issues players may be dealing with (relationships and family illness)
etc etc.
We think we might know.
We actually have little idea
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - PaulP - 06-15-2024
(06-15-2024, 10:53 PM)Lods link Wrote:Yep
Of course it's more than stats....even advanced ones.
Naturally they play a part in some decisions and the coaches have access to better ones than we have but...
Our head coach has 289 playing games.
He has around 15 years experience as a senior or assistant coach.
Add the experience of our other assistants.
Then add an in depth knowledge of the playing group.
-their strengths and weaknesses
-their injury and form situation at any one time
-priorities they may be working on at any given time.
-what their training loads look like
- development plans.
-how players fit in the team structure and roles they play
-team balance considerations
- opposition strengths and weaknesses in up coming games
-proposed match-ups
-personal issues players may be dealing with (relationships and family illness)
etc etc.
We think we might know.
We actually have little idea
Yes. I agree. Put any of us in the coaches’ box on game day and we would be found out in the first five minutes.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - Blue Moon - 06-16-2024
Clearly Lods you think decisions should be made on facts and evidence and made by people who have experience. Get with the program son.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - northernblue - 06-16-2024
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