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Re: Brownlow Medal 2022 - DJC - 09-20-2022
(09-20-2022, 10:46 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:If only it wasn't just that year. We fecked up most of our picks between 2012 and 2015.
It wasn’t until SOS came onboard that we had any idea about how to use the draft. Apart from using our #1 picks on the obvious candidates, decades of poor on field performances produced nothing meaningful in terms of improving our list.
Re: Brownlow Medal 2022 - Gointocarlton - 09-20-2022
Our drafting pre SOS was abhorrent. From 2014 to as far back as the Yarra draft of 2008, we drafted/rookied 29 players, only 3 players remain on AFL lists (Cripps, Holman and Robbo who has seemingly retired).
I can't format tables for crap on this site but here it is anyway (for you enjoyment)
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[td]Year Rnd Pick Team Player Where are they now Games Played
2014 1 19 Carlton Blaine Boekhorst 25
2014 2 28 Carlton Dillon Viojo-Rainbow 0
2014 4 60 Carlton Clem Smith 7
2014 4 63 Carlton Jayden Foster 0
2013 1 13 Carlton Patrick Cripps Carlton 159
2013 3 39 Carlton Cameron Giles 0
2013 3 51 Carlton Nicholas Holman Gold Coast 9
2012 1 11 Carlton Troy Menzel 44
2012 2 35 Carlton Tom Temay 0
2012 3 54 Carlton Nicholas Graham
2011 1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma 14
2011 2 44 Carlton Sam Rowe 100
2011 3 62 Carlton Dylan Buckley FS 41
2010 1 18 Carlton Matthew Watson 23
2010 2 34 Carlton Patrick McCarthy 1
2010 2 42 Carlton Luke Mitchell 1
2010 4 67 Carlton Andrew McInnes 17
2010 4 70 Carlton Nicholas Duigan 43
2010 5 85 Carlton Jeff Garlett R 155
2010 6 99 Carlton David Ellard R 55
2009 1 12 Carlton Kane Lucas 42
2009 3 43 Carlton Marcus Davies 17
2009 4 59 Carlton Rohan Kerr 0
2009 5 72 Carlton Sam Jacobs R 204
2009 6 83 Carlton Aaron Joseph R 50
2008 1 6 Carlton Christopher Yarran 119
2008 3 40 Carlton Mitch Robinson Brisbane 247
2008 5 65 Carlton Rhys O'Keeffe 3
2008 6 80 Carlton Caleb Tiller 0[/td]
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Re: Brownlow Medal 2022 - northernblue - 09-20-2022
(09-20-2022, 12:52 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Our drafting pre SOS was abhorrent. From 2014 to as far back as the Yarra draft of 2008, we drafted/rookied 29 players, only 3 players remain on AFL lists (Cripps, Holman and Robbo who has seemingly retired).
I can't format tables for crap on this site but here it is anyway (for you enjoyment)
[table]
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[td]Year Rnd Pick Team Player Where are they now Games Played
2014 1 19 Carlton Blaine Boekhorst 25
2014 2 28 Carlton Dillon Viojo-Rainbow 0
2014 4 60 Carlton Clem Smith 7
2014 4 63 Carlton Jayden Foster 0
2013 1 13 Carlton Patrick Cripps Carlton 159
2013 3 39 Carlton Cameron Giles 0
2013 3 51 Carlton Nicholas Holman Gold Coast 9
2012 1 11 Carlton Troy Menzel 44
2012 2 35 Carlton Tom Temay 0
2012 3 54 Carlton Nicholas Graham
2011 1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma 14
2011 2 44 Carlton Sam Rowe 100
2011 3 62 Carlton Dylan Buckley FS 41
2010 1 18 Carlton Matthew Watson 23
2010 2 34 Carlton Patrick McCarthy 1
2010 2 42 Carlton Luke Mitchell 1
2010 4 67 Carlton Andrew McInnes 17
2010 4 70 Carlton Nicholas Duigan 43
2010 5 85 Carlton Jeff Garlett R 155
2010 6 99 Carlton David Ellard R 55
2009 1 12 Carlton Kane Lucas 42
2009 3 43 Carlton Marcus Davies 17
2009 4 59 Carlton Rohan Kerr 0
2009 5 72 Carlton Sam Jacobs R 204
2009 6 83 Carlton Aaron Joseph R 50
2008 1 6 Carlton Christopher Yarran 119
2008 3 40 Carlton Mitch Robinson Brisbane 247
2008 5 65 Carlton Rhys O'Keeffe 3
2008 6 80 Carlton Caleb Tiller 0[/td]
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Certainly I’m making zero effort to defend the decision makers from the time but I doubt you’d find many selections from 14-8 years ago still in the system.
At a guess maybe 10, 10 year players drafted in total each year ?
Re: Brownlow Medal 2022 - 31Tommys_barber - 09-20-2022
That is a scary indictment of the pathetic nature of our recruiting in that period. No wonder we needed a complete cleanout under Bolton. Maybe he did a better job than I thought making the painful yards to a better future. His reward was to be sacked, a fate I think he always knew was coming from the day he started.
On another note Boekhorst was one of the favourites for the Sandover over here before he did his knee in August. A good WAFL player but completely out of his depth in the AFL but we have had a few of those over the years looking a that list
Re: Brownlow Medal 2022 - 31Tommys_barber - 09-20-2022
I still cry when I see we took Kane Lucas the pick before Daniel Talia ???
Re: Brownlow Medal 2022 - kruddler - 09-20-2022
It is a sign of the amount of money we had available to spend on such things too.
Re: Brownlow Medal 2022 - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-20-2022
(09-20-2022, 01:36 PM)31Tommys_barber link Wrote:That is a scary indictment of the pathetic nature of our recruiting in that period. No wonder we needed a complete cleanout under Bolton. Maybe he did a better job than I thought making the painful yards to a better future. His reward was to be sacked, a fate I think he always knew was coming from the day he started.Boekhorst was rated as a rookie selection by most scribes, not sure what we were thinking when we picked him so early..
On another note Boekhorst was one of the favourites for the Sandover over here before he did his knee in August. A good WAFL player but completely out of his depth in the AFL but we have had a few of those over the years looking a that list
There were rumours another team was also keen, but we saved them the embarrassment..
Re: Brownlow Medal 2022 - crashlander - 09-21-2022
(09-20-2022, 10:12 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Not wrong Surfie, when you stuff up when you go hard at the draft it does set you back, every pick was a dud and then we trade in Jaksch and Whiley who were also duds.....It was much worse than a random selection would be. Probability theory suggests there should have been at least 2 successes from 12 selections.
Lost Waite to Nth, traded Garlett out to Melbourne for peanuts, sacked Robbo no return there either, then to top off we picked Tutt in the PSD and fecked up every rookie pick too with nothing of substance coming in via that route either.
We were 0 from about 10-12, in terms of draft moves.....it couldnt get any worse..a monkey with a dart board could have done better than our recruiters.
Re: Brownlow Medal 2022 - laj - 09-21-2022
(09-20-2022, 12:52 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Our drafting pre SOS was abhorrent. From 2014 to as far back as the Yarra draft of 2008, we drafted/rookied 29 players, only 3 players remain on AFL lists (Cripps, Holman and Robbo who has seemingly retired).
I can't format tables for crap on this site but here it is anyway (for you enjoyment)
[table]
[tr]
[td]Year Rnd Pick Team Player Where are they now Games Played
2014 1 19 Carlton Blaine Boekhorst 25
2014 2 28 Carlton Dillon Viojo-Rainbow 0
2014 4 60 Carlton Clem Smith 7
2014 4 63 Carlton Jayden Foster 0
2013 1 13 Carlton Patrick Cripps Carlton 159
2013 3 39 Carlton Cameron Giles 0
2013 3 51 Carlton Nicholas Holman Gold Coast 9
2012 1 11 Carlton Troy Menzel 44
2012 2 35 Carlton Tom Temay 0
2012 3 54 Carlton Nicholas Graham
2011 1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma 14
2011 2 44 Carlton Sam Rowe 100
2011 3 62 Carlton Dylan Buckley FS 41
2010 1 18 Carlton Matthew Watson 23
2010 2 34 Carlton Patrick McCarthy 1
2010 2 42 Carlton Luke Mitchell 1
2010 4 67 Carlton Andrew McInnes 17
2010 4 70 Carlton Nicholas Duigan 43
2010 5 85 Carlton Jeff Garlett R 155
2010 6 99 Carlton David Ellard R 55
2009 1 12 Carlton Kane Lucas 42
2009 3 43 Carlton Marcus Davies 17
2009 4 59 Carlton Rohan Kerr 0
2009 5 72 Carlton Sam Jacobs R 204
2009 6 83 Carlton Aaron Joseph R 50
2008 1 6 Carlton Christopher Yarran 119
2008 3 40 Carlton Mitch Robinson Brisbane 247
2008 5 65 Carlton Rhys O'Keeffe 3
2008 6 80 Carlton Caleb Tiller 0[/td]
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A few of the best picks there ended up at other clubs. Robbo ended up a 250 game player. Jacobs over 200. Joesph, Ellard, Graham and Rowe were ok given where they were picked. Levi, who is not mentioned, who as good pick at rookie pick 44. Won't often find genius's there where they were selected and couldn't be expected to carry the club to glory. That's the nicest I can come up with, as when you look at it that is nothing short of a disaster. Bower, not mentioned, wouldn't have been too bad if he wasn't picked at 18.
Doesn't Cripps stand out!
Re: Brownlow Medal 2022 - laj - 09-21-2022
(09-20-2022, 01:39 PM)31Tommys_barber link Wrote:I still cry when I see we took Kane Lucas the pick before Daniel Talia ???
I cry looking at the list