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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - LP - 08-02-2021
(08-01-2021, 11:39 PM)jeza date Wrote:I am amazed we have supporters who would even consider this. Finals are right there - we are 1 game out and we're talking about putting the individual ahead of the entire point of the club as a whole?Our making finals is really totally dependant on others losing, we are unlikely to bridge the percentage gap so ending up on the same number of wins isn't good enough. I think Freo are in prime position.
The other problem is that some of the teams above us that are vying for the last spot play each other, so some of those above are guaranteed one win and excluding Freo they all have better percentages.
If we do a Melbourne and smash GC we might get enough of a percentage boost to put us closer, but I'd assert if we have to us and injury sub in the process it's not going to happen. Plus at this stage are we going to have a ruck?
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - laj - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 12:05 AM)LP link Wrote:Our making finals is really totally dependant on others losing, we are unlikely to bridge the percentage gap so ending up on the same number of wins isn't good enough. I think Freo are in prime position.
The other problem is that some of the teams above us that are vying for the last spot play each other, so some of those above are guaranteed one win and excluding Freo they all have better percentages.
If we do a Melbourne and smash GC we might get enough of a percentage boost to put us closer, but I'd assert if we have to us and injury sub in the process it's not going to happen. Plus at this stage are we going to have a ruck?
In Freo's case their percentage is worse than ours, which is why I was hoping they'd win yesterday. Just hoping North keep up their good form and roll the Tigers. Some confidence in that one. Hope Brisbane can find form and best Freo. Not so sure about that. Geelong will beat GWS in Geelong and the Dogs will beat Essendon. That happens and the finals will be in our own hands, as long as we win.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - flyboy77 - 08-02-2021
We need to win 3 of 3.
Freo have Brisbane in Perth, Eagles then St Kilda here (docklands). If they win all 3, they're in....but they're flaky. So expect one loss.
WCE have Dees in Perth, Dockers then Brsbane (possibly up there, otherwise here?) might win zero, might win 2. Win 2, they're in.
Saints have Syvegas here, Cats in Geelong, then Freo. Two wins at best.
Bombers have Bulldogs, Suns (up there possibly), Pies at the G. Two wins at best.
Tigers have North, Giants, Hawthorn - win all three and we win all three, they pip us most likely on %.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-02-2021
I think Freo are rolling now and can knock over Brisbane....they won without Fyfe and Walters and Cerra has probably added some more dollars onto his price.
I thought Richmond might win their three but the team getting Clarko last game for the Hawks would be worried....
Giants just play a rubbish brand for a team with so much talent and how Cameron is still coaching is a mystery to me..
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - WASurfer - 08-02-2021
Just on our tackling in the Saints game, was it just me or did a lot of our very good tackles go unrewarded? There seemed to be quite a few instances where the perfect tackle was laid and the Saints player given an eternity to get rid of it, then didn't, and we still didn't get a kick.
And the arms around the waist free kick in a marking contest....be nice if that rule applied to all areas of the ground. It seems to be only against defenders.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - Gointocarlton - 08-02-2021
(08-01-2021, 11:39 PM)jeza link Wrote:I am amazed we have supporters who would even consider this. Finals are right there - we are 1 game out and we're talking about putting the individual ahead of the entire point of the club as a whole?Wow! 16,107 odd players have played VFL/AFL football, 95 have made the 300 game milestone. Duds dont play that many and its a significant milestone every players sets out to achieve. He has been a loyal servant of the club and I for one care as would most if not every one of his team mates and coaches. We aren't going to make the 8 IMO.
Make finals. Or play 17 vs. 18 because we want to limp a guy to a meaningless milestone. It's an amazing achievement to play 297 games the same as it is to play 300. Why does anyone care? Murphy himself would be embarrassed for all eternity if his 299th game he cost us finals.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - PaulP - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 02:37 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Wow! 16,107 odd players have played VFL/AFL football, 95 have made the 300 game milestone. Duds dont play that many and its a significant milestone every players sets out to achieve. He has been a loyal servant of the club and I for one care as would most if not every one of his team mates and coaches. We aren't going to make the 8 IMO.
Yes, I generally agree. I can't believe even for a second that Murphy would be the difference between finals and no finals.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - Gointocarlton - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 02:42 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Yes, I generally agree. I can't believe even for a second that Murphy would be the difference between finals and no finals.He was on the ground for 1/2 the time Owies was, kicked a goal, (Owies didn't kick any) and got 2 possessions less (4 to 6). Just saying.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - PaulP - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 02:45 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:He was on the ground for 1/2 the time Owies was, kicked a goal, (Owies didn't kick any) and got 2 possessions less (4 to 6). Just saying.
I've heard Wayne Carey and Ross Lyon say they really rate Murphy. He's up to 298 games now. They don't even have to play him in one of the three remaining ones. The Murphy haters won't have to see him after this season regardless. Get him to 300, and then both the pro and anti Murphy crowd can have a win. He's had very little to show for 16 years of service, and one has to wonder if others that take his spot really offer much more.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda - LP - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 03:00 AM)PaulP date Wrote:I've heard Wayne Carey and Ross Lyon say they really rate Murphy. He's up to 298 games now. They don't even have to play him in one of the three remaining ones. The Murphy haters won't have to see him after this season regardless. Get him to 300, and then both the pro and anti Murphy crowd can have a win. He's had very little to show for 16 years of service, and one has to wonder if others that take his spot really offer much more.Hard to see any of those proposed replacements playing 300.
When sMurph arrived at Carlton he had as much impact as Walsh, then we basically let Brisbane beat the shizen out of him and wreck his shoulders with little or no retribution.
If we'd had some team success, he'd be talked up as good as Ashman or Sheldon. Deserves 300, and deserves unconditional respect!