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Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - capcom - 03-31-2021
[member=153]LP[/member] ... I meant HIS direct opponent ... only takes a split second. He was under the gun that's for sure.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - LP - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 11:11 PM)capcom date Wrote:[member=153]LP[/member] ... I meant HIS direct opponent ... only takes a split second. He was under the gun that's for sure.It doesn't matter who your direct opponent is when you are left guarding 2 or 3. Sooner or later you have to pick an opponent and move towards one of them, and you have to watch the ball user to decide that early enough and hope they pull the trigger early, not your opponent.
More than anything this highlights Nthmond's better F50 skills and organisation than our own forwards. Our guys all run to the fall of the ball bringing defenders with them, Nthmond lead people away to create an extra numbers and space leaving defenders with too much ground to cover.
I've discussed before how Nthmonds small forwards offer Riewoldt or other talls checks and blocks, while our smalls forwards hang back contact free and leave our KPFs contesting against 2 or 3. I realise if umpired to the rules of the game our defenders should get free kicks for being shepherded well off the ball, but the game isn't umpired to the rules so there is no point complaining.
It's not the defenders fault, they can't do more than they already do and Martin doesn't waste the footy kicking it to a outnumbered team-mates like we do! He just bides his time then waits to see which way everybody runs.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - PaulP - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 10:07 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Those stats don't tell you how many goals he gives away or how he gets beat up in one on one's. We all have seen it and now the media have seen it and other teams will continue to isolate him and play through his man IMHO.
I'm no fan of the "eyes test" and I think the media long ago abandoned analysis in favour of lazy cherry picking, pandering to the prejudices of noisy fans. Folks with outdated ideas will tell you that the eyes are objective, and see "what is there", but I don't think that's right. In a complex situation like football analysis, the eyes will see what your biases, preferences etc. guide them to see. We all watched the "reality" of the R2 Blues v Pies game, yet we see different things. How can that be ? Do some of us need a visit to Specsavers ?
The Pies had 48 Inside 50's, but only took 13 marks I50. If, as you say, the ball was always directed to Plowman's opponent, how can we account for this discrepancy ? Plowman had 91% game time, so he was out there virtually the whole game. 87 AFL fantasy points places him third for the night.
Quite apart from any of that, you'd be lucky to find any defenders that have prevailed in a 1-on-1 with DeGoey. The ball was coming in almost as if our mids and forwards weren't on the field.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - PaulP - 03-31-2021
Plowman had 10 marks for the night, the most of any player. He had 4 intercept marks, placing him 2nd behind Darcy Moore, and equal with Jones.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - LP - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 11:20 PM)PaulP date Wrote:I'm no fan of the "eyes test" and I think the media long ago abandoned analysis in favour of lazy cherry picking, pandering to the prejudices of noisy fans. Folks with outdated ideas will tell you that the eyes are objective, and see "what is there", but I don't think that's right.I agree, especially I'm afraid when that seeing comes via the TV, with a limited field of view and the influence of the commentators.
Fans do not realise the commentators comment off small screens in front of them, not through the binoculars commonly seen in promotions. They do this deliberately so they comment on what viewers see.
Radio is often a more reliable source, but in the COVID era many of those broadcasts are also from a sound studio watching the broadcast.
At the ground the game looks so different.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - madbluboy - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 11:27 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Plowman had 10 marks for the night, the most of any player. He had 4 intercept marks, placing him 2nd behind Darcy Moore, and equal with Jones.
They didn't concede 7 or 8 goals.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - capcom - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 11:19 PM)LP link Wrote:It doesn't matter who your direct opponent is when you are left guarding 2 or 3. Sooner or later you have to pick an opponent and move towards one of them, and you have to watch the ball user to decide that early enough and hope they pull the trigger early, not your opponent.
You're missing my point .... he wasn't guarding two or three, he had responsibility for one. And so it passes to other defenders to do theirs. Fly and punch to contested swarms when necessary, sure, but one on one, he wasn't up to it. Too slow on the uptake
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - LP - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 11:33 PM)capcom date Wrote:You're missing my point .... he wasn't guarding two or three, he had responsibility for one. And so it passes to other defenders to do theirs. Fly and punch to contested swarms when necessary, sure, but one on one, he wasn't up to it. Too slow on the uptakeWhat part of the ground where you watching from, the angle you viewed?
On the replay there was a wide shot as the commentators reviewed the play, I can't recall if it was during the quarter or in the post match, but just as Dusty kicks the camera cuts wide and it shows Plowman stuck between Nthmond players, they split in different directions and Plowman is momentarily left not knowing which way to go. Plowman's choice is a roll of the dice.
If I was our coach, I'd be asking a much much harder question, how Riewoldt is left with 20m of clear free space to lead into inside F50 from the slow set F50 entry? What you might see if we got all the angles, and I can't confirm this, would be several of our Mids running to the bench when they should be defending. I've seen this over and over again at the ground in recent years, it's amateur at best. Our defenders are left guessing against multiple opponents, and when they guess wrong they look like a goose!
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - Baggers - 03-31-2021
Good to see that Luke Parks has been named to definitely play on Sunday... out Willo?
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - laj - 04-01-2021
(03-31-2021, 11:31 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:They didn't concede 7 or 8 goals.
So did Moore but he conceded 4. Can't be conceding 4 or 7 goals no matter how well you play as a defender. Stopping your opponent scoring is the first responsibility. Moore saved alot but Harry's 4 goals helped keep us in it when we shouldn't have been.