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Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle - DJC - 08-16-2020
(08-16-2020, 03:26 AM)crashlander link Wrote:I actually thought Willo was pretty good. I'm going to give him a mention in the voting. Similarly Plowman and Jones. Both did stirling jobs and kept their opponents ineffective. Jones slaughtered Lobb, while Plow kept Fyffe quiet when he was forward, except for the first quarter. Cottrell was good value as well. SPS kept his man reasonably quiet, but had not effect on the game at all. Weitering was closest to lowering his colours for the first time this year.
Astute observations Crash
Willo’s one percenters don’t make the stats but they do make a difference on the field. Apart from Fyffe’s flukish “steal”, Willo was dependable and defended well.
Cottrell’s goal was great, and his celebration even better! I thought that he was a solid contributor and his pressure helped to suppress the Freo mids. His disposal efficiency was poor but Cripps, Curnow and Murphy weren’t much better. As EB suggested, the conditions played a big part in that, as did our tactic of trying to gain territory at every opportunity.
Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle - pew2 - 08-16-2020
teague and his coaching panel are so fortunate,a couple of close wins covers the reality that our game plan is no good untrustworthy.
Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle - laj - 08-16-2020
(08-16-2020, 05:06 AM)pew2 link Wrote:teague and his coaching panel are so fortunate,a couple of close wins covers the reality that our game plan is no good untrustworthy.
One of those close wins was Geelong. We've had close losses too so we could've been even better off. 11-11 under Teague, much better than it was before that. Won't happen overnight.
Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle - LoveNavy - 08-16-2020
(08-16-2020, 05:06 AM)pew2 link Wrote:teague and his coaching panel are so fortunate,a couple of close wins covers the reality that our game plan is no good untrustworthy.
What are the flaws?
How would you address them?
Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-16-2020
(08-16-2020, 04:58 AM)kruddler link Wrote:So you ignore his B+F and try and get the umpires to prove how good/bad he is?Your suggesting because Bower got more votes than Simpson one year in a B&F
You've just lost the argument.
If it wasn't Cripps, it was someone equally high up on the chain.
If you want to try and search through videos with 'cripps' in the title to find the 5 second clip....be my guest.
that makes him a vastly superior player than Williamson... I'm saying the rest of the AFL didn't seem to rate him at all except the kind folk at Carlton who threw him a bone or two at the B&F.
Bower sadly was a running joke as a footballer for opposition fans and our own and remains that way.. I don't see Williamson getting to that comedic level and rate him higher, you disagree then that's fine...
Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle - kruddler - 08-16-2020
(08-16-2020, 05:41 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Your suggesting because Bower got more votes than Simpson one year in a B&F
that makes him a vastly superior player than Williamson... I'm saying the rest of the AFL didn't seem to rate him at all except the kind folk at Carlton who threw him a bone or two at the B&F.
Bower sadly was a running joke as a footballer for opposition fans and our own and remains that way.. I don't see Williamson getting to that comedic level and rate him higher, you disagree then that's fine...
No i'm suggesting Bower was not as bad as your memory (and a few others) make out.
No i'm not suggesting Bower is vastly superior to Williamson.
As i said, i reckon at where they are/were at the same age, that they are basically the same player.
From there, we all know where Bower got to (or didn't get to) in terms of his career. I'm hoping Willo is able to break away from a somewhat similar career path up to this point and do better.
Whole point was that i see A LOT of similarities between them. You, and a few others have turned this into a Paul Bower slagging match in defense of a bloke who was not even being criticised.
Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle - rocky - 08-16-2020
(08-16-2020, 05:50 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Whole point was that i see A LOT of similarities between them. You, and a few others have turned this into a Paul Bower slagging match in defense of a bloke who was not even being criticised.
(08-16-2020, 01:14 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Willo is reminding me, a lot, of Paul Bower.Dude, seriously?
Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-16-2020
(08-16-2020, 05:50 AM)kruddler link Wrote:No i'm suggesting Bower was not as bad as your memory (and a few others) make out.
No i'm not suggesting Bower is vastly superior to Williamson.
As i said, i reckon at where they are/were at the same age, that they are basically the same player.
From there, we all know where Bower got to (or didn't get to) in terms of his career. I'm hoping Willo is able to break away from a somewhat similar career path up to this point and do better.
Whole point was that i see A LOT of similarities between them. You, and a few others have turned this into a Paul Bower slagging match in defense of a bloke who was not even being criticised.
I think when you compare any player to the likes of Paul Bower you are going to get a negative reaction but you knew that? ,I'm a Williamson fan but happy to admit he has been average to poor since returning from injury but throwing him in the same boat as Bower is extreme and needed defending. I watched a bit of Williamson again from the game and he is running very ginger and upright like he doesnt want pressure on his lower back or fears pressure, given how serious his injury has been I thinks its a bit unfair to be calling him the next Bower in the making..
Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle - madbluboy - 08-16-2020
Bower had lots of talent, he looked like he was going to be a gun early in his career. Pretty sure he did the job on Buddy one day and then it was all downhill after that.
Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle - Lods - 08-16-2020
Bower was crippled by injuries.
Just when he started to show some signs down he'd go again.
When he was fit he was in and out of the side like a yo-yo.
Two week injuries stretched into long periods out.
He even prompted a heated discussion on this site about the club being less than honest about injuries.
Many of us remember those 'deer in the headlight' moments but by that stage his confidence and judgement was shot.