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Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-26-2020
(07-26-2020, 01:16 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I'm not hard to please at all. I'm not questioning progress, I'm questioning the fact that folks think it's a leaps-and-bounds progress and I'm saying it's anything but.I'd call it methodical progress, you look at Richmond, Brisbane and Stkilda and you only need a catalyst like a good trade period and you make the next big step into finals.
We are now that one step away IMHO... then it's up to the coach.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North - LP - 07-26-2020
(07-26-2020, 01:23 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:I'd call it methodical progress, you look at Richmond, Brisbane and Stkilda and you only need a catalyst like a good trade period and you make the next big step into finals.I suppose then the timing was perfect for the white-ants to pounce and claim all the glory.
We are now that one step away IMHO... then it's up to the coach.
I think there is a significant overconfidence in Liddle, Lloyd and cronies, they haven't really been tested yet, for now they are living off the efforts of those who came before them, the predecessors who mostly wore the earlier pain.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North - PaulP - 07-26-2020
(07-26-2020, 01:20 AM)northernblue link Wrote:I think you’re splitting hairs then.
No one her is typesetting the 2020 flag (yet ?) but we are progressing, we seem to be learning.
12 months ago we couldn’t win a close game, now we seem to be learning how to dig in and hold that lead, accept the green shoots...
Yes, but is this luck, or progress, or both ? Last night, I would argue that at best, we were level pegging with North for 3q, and at worst, we were slightly outplayed. Don't forget, we've lost our fair share of close games as well.
There are those who think the 99 prelim is some kind of pinnacle, a victory for the ages. I disagree. I think it was fraudulent, and I'm deferring judgement until I see that where we're at now is beyond the stage of false hope.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North - PaulP - 07-26-2020
(07-26-2020, 01:23 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I'd call it methodical progress, you look at Richmond, Brisbane and Stkilda and you only need a catalyst like a good trade period and you make the next big step into finals.
We are now that one step away IMHO... then it's up to the coach.
I don't see that closeness myself.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North - Lods - 07-26-2020
What would you regard as a progress 'Pass' mark Paul?
Would finals be enough?
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North - PaulP - 07-26-2020
(07-26-2020, 01:37 AM)Lods link Wrote:What would you regard as a progress 'Pass' mark Paul?
Would finals be enough?
It's not really about finals. It's about the actual on field play, and putting together a series of strong, convincing commanding performances over 4 quarters, where we look in control, good ball movement, good defence, able to change gears when required, able to show a bit of physicality when required. At the moment we are still too flaky, and still have too many gaps in our play IMO. I'm sure that Teague is perfectly aware of all this.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North - Blue Moon - 07-26-2020
Learning how to win is the most important thing we can do now. As I keep saying winners win because they win, losers lose because they lose. I think we had a massive opportunity to really bury North yesterday but we didn't know how to do it. If we kicked 5.1 in the third quarter instead of 1.5, the story would have been so much different. I thought we dominated in general play for about three and a quarter quarters, and North had a good run in the second and got a bit lucky at the end of the third. I thought the umpires were very adept at finding the right free at the right time for North. We have a chance next week to get a head of the count next week and I think 9 wins will be enough to play finals, and if we can be 6 & 5 coming out of Perth, then we have a chance to make the finals on our own merit since 2011.
A few observations. It's taken about 8 months for Jack Martin to learn the Carlton way when kicking for goals. David Cuningham is not far off from being a very good footballer. I was so pleased he went for that goal in the last quarter after just falling short the week before. I thought studs up was a free kick. While Moore gave a good contest throughout the match, I think it might be TDK time.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North - cookie2 - 07-26-2020
(07-26-2020, 01:44 AM)PaulP link Wrote:It's not really about finals. It's about the actual on field play, and putting together a series of strong, convincing commanding performances over 4 quarters, where we look in control, good ball movement, good defence, able to change gears when required, able to show a bit of physicality when required. At the moment we are still too flaky, and still have too many gaps in our play IMO. I'm sure that Teague is perfectly aware of all this.
Agree, but we are getting better imo.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North - PaulP - 07-26-2020
(07-26-2020, 02:01 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Agree, but we are getting better imo.
Yes, agree, but I see it more as baby steps than most.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North - Micky0 - 07-26-2020
No one is saying we are bloody awesome, there are quite obviously some big issues to sort out. The lack of being about to put 4 quarters together consistently is the obvious one.
But to say it’s not completely different to when BB coached, is a fallacy. I was a BB fan but he did not have the team playing like they are now. Teague and the players say, he tells them to take it on, make a mistake in the process but try and try again. Footy is very much about confidence. Had cunners kicked that goal an extra metre last week, we would’ve won. He took his opportunity yesterday in an Ugly wet scrap, and got it that time. The belief and confidence for him to do that again after last week, is a credit to the coach.
Time to let the BB era go. I believed in him and his process but it didn’t yield results and ultimately the players didn’t believe in it either. They are on board the D-train And grinding out those wins, after a heartbreaker of a loss last week, can only be a positive for that team. Sure I’m frustrated we didn’t annihilate them but as someone else said, Port lost in Adelaide to Sts last night, maybe the game last week drained both teams.