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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs. the Drug Cheats - capcom - 06-02-2019
I'm not a great fan of Bolton BUT he had too many kids out there trying to do men's jobs.
The players looked OK in the rooms and pre game on the ground, quite effective and sharp.
It then quickly disintegrated as if they have zero confidence in what should happen next. No guidance whatsoever and Bolton can't cover for that with the options hopelessly limited.
Our obsession with youth is costing us badly, and when injuries strike, the shell of the team that's left panic.
Any replacement coach will need even more patience as this is indeed (IMO) a defining point in our history.
We MUST target big bodied experienced players if we're to arrest the balance
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs. the Drug Cheats - flyboy77 - 06-02-2019
(06-02-2019, 08:25 PM)capcom link Wrote:I'm not a great fan of Bolton BUT he had too many kids out there trying to do men's jobs.
The players looked OK in the rooms and pre game on the ground, quite effective and sharp.
It then quickly disintegrated as if they have zero confidence in what should happen next. No guidance whatsoever and Bolton can't cover for that with the options hopelessly limited.
Our obsession with youth is costing us badly, and when injuries strike, the shell of the team that's left panic.
Any replacement coach will need even more patience as this is indeed (IMO) a defining point in our history.
We MUST target big bodied experienced players if we're to arrest the balance
Meh, I don't buy it - Freo - leaders?
Fyfe, Mundy, Walters?, Matera?
Kreuzer - is he fit?
Older blokes we had out there - Special K, Crippa, Newman, Levi, Plow's 24 now?
Sure, maybe 1 or 2 mature mids short but that's shouldn't explain 22 lost blokes?
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs. the Drug Cheats - capcom - 06-02-2019
Didn't suggest that flyboy. I was (indirectly) pointing the finger at others apart from Bolton. We fold far too quickly or when we're anywhere near competitive, surrender any advantage. No hard edge whatsoever and what we do is more in hope than any belief
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs. the Drug Cheats - flyboy77 - 06-02-2019
(06-02-2019, 09:42 PM)capcom link Wrote:Didn't suggest that flyboy. I was (indirectly) pointing the finger at others apart from Bolton. We fold far too quickly or when we're anywhere near competitive, surrender any advantage. No hard edge whatsoever and what we do is more in hope than any belief
oh sure, agreed. But what is the reason so many of the young blokes - and many are 21-22 now - hardly young - throw in the towel.
Why is Crippa at 23 odd the only one that (until recently?) been able to soldier on....?
Why are they so frequently soft as butter - physically and mentally - why?
Yet they can go within a whisker of beating the Pies - why does the hierarchy not bleat in the media about the diabolical free kick disparity, the touched goal (by Elliot) in our game.
The Pies turn it into a major headline.
We say nothing at ALL.
MLG a big part of the cultural void imo.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs. the Drug Cheats - Thryleon - 06-02-2019
(06-02-2019, 01:45 PM)spf link Wrote:You left out Lang's numerous poor misses.
That's because lang is an also ran.
Kreuzer is a heart and soul player.
When they make errors it goes through the entire team.
Remember the ire Murphy was copping for his shortcomings?
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs. the Drug Cheats - capcom - 06-02-2019
If we knew the answer to half those questions, we'd have a chance to correct them. Even when we "fly the flag" when a player is dealt with unfair treatment, it shows little intent.
It's as if they've been behaviour conditioned and not emotionally reactive.
Our weak attempts at tackles cost us a goal or two every game with opponents sailing by, knowing it's probably going to be half hearted.
Don't start me on MLG ....
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs. the Drug Cheats - LP - 06-02-2019
I can't believe so many Carlton fans got sucked into thinking we were favourites, the media keep pumping us up week after week and our fans keep biting!
Our team as it stands is decimated by injuries to the key senior players and there is nothing left but bruised and battered kids being lead by a novice, with a injured ruckmen for assistance!
Think harder people, we were not and never were favourites against the Aints or the Cheats!
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs. the Drug Cheats - Thryleon - 06-02-2019
(06-02-2019, 09:14 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Meh, I don't buy it - Freo - leaders?
Fyfe, Mundy, Walters?, Matera?
Kreuzer - is he fit?
Older blokes we had out there - Special K, Crippa, Newman, Levi, Plow's 24 now?
Sure, maybe 1 or 2 mature mids short but that's shouldn't explain 22 lost blokes?
Scoff all you like there are points of difference.
The freo blokes you mentioned played in freos grand final team a few years back and were genuinely top players in the competition at one point for a sustained period of their careers.
Our senior blokes (particularly the ones that are missing) are not.
Murphy and Thomas being the only exception and they havn't been near that form in 5 years.
Freo have topped up with conca, hamling, lobbe, and when you look through their team you realise that they are not playing the number of young skinny teenagers to carry them through only a couple.
Our senior players like Newman and McGovern are less than 70 games into their careers.
We are being led by sps, Dow, weitering, McKay, curnow. Yes they're first round picks but none of them are more than highlight reel players at this point.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs. the Drug Cheats - cookie2 - 06-02-2019
(06-02-2019, 10:19 PM)capcom link Wrote:If we knew the answer to half those questions, we'd have a chance to correct them. Even when we "fly the flag" when a player is dealt with unfair treatment, it shows little intent.
It's as if they've been behaviour conditioned and not emotionally reactive.
Our weak attempts at tackles cost us a goal or two every game with opponents sailing by, knowing it's probably going to be half hearted.
Don't start me on MLG ....
It's called "Going through the motions". People who don't really believe in what they are doing do this kind of thing.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs. the Drug Cheats - JonHenry - 06-02-2019
(06-02-2019, 09:46 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:oh sure, agreed. But what is the reason so many of the young blokes - and many are 21-22 now - hardly young - throw in the towel.
Why is Crippa at 23 odd the only one that (until recently?) been able to soldier on....?
Why are they so frequently soft as butter - physically and mentally - why?
Yet they can go within a whisker of beating the Pies - why does the hierarchy not bleat in the media about the diabolical free kick disparity, the touched goal (by Elliot) in our game.
The Pies turn it into a major headline.
We say nothing at ALL.
MLG a big part of the cultural void imo.
Cripps was visibly devastated after that Collingwood game.
He couldn't have given anymore that day.
He hasn't looked the same since.