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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne - PaulP - 05-05-2019
(05-05-2019, 09:19 PM)capcom link Wrote:The clock? That's desperate wallpaper over allowing them back into the game in the first place
Well, either we let them back in, or else they worked themselves back into it through experience, and winning habits. I'm not interested in quibbling. You will see things as you wish.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne - capcom - 05-05-2019
You can bet on that
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne - Thryleon - 05-05-2019
(05-05-2019, 02:20 PM)Spanner link Wrote:So what's Marc Murphy having? Shouldn't the same be applied to him? Or is he above criticism? Biff seems to think so...
Murphy's stats yesterday were first year player level. However we dont have a better player knocking on the door to come in and are missing experienced heads who draw an opponent. I'd rather he get hammered in tackles than Sam Walsh so he's still more useful to us than Liam stocker and lachie o brien.
We are already missing experienced heads. Taking another one out probably wont help us much.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne - LP - 05-05-2019
(05-05-2019, 09:11 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Yes I know that. The Hawks won :
a. because of the clock,
b. their senior players are experienced and have a winning culture
c. because young teams like ours don't have what it takes to turn the momentum when it's not going our way.
Yesterday sucked, make no bones about it. Hopefully the boys will learn. We're not at the Hawks level where we can arrest a bad start.
That's exactly the scenario.
The crew on Manrgrook predicted a 60pt defeat based on our outs and our inexperienced list combined with the motivation Norp were receiving off the media and Scott's ball on the line. Most Carlton fans scoffed at their prediction, some even sledged them, so I suspect they are owed an apology! Yet fans will buy the Monday morning media shock, as that has them feel at ease when they throw the baby out with the bath water.
We lost how many hundred games of experience after last weekend, and we brought in how many games of experience?
The bigger worry is did the club see this coming, if they did then they haven't played their media cards very well this week, if they didn't they are basically incompetent despite the realisation they have no other choice? Especially given the list management decision they have made in the recent past?
Are there any positives we can take from this game?
Despite being besieged Weitering kept it together to the best of his ability, but we do not want him BoG in such circumstances but he probably was.
But again my biggest worry remains, I do not think being battered week in week out is necessarily good for the kids. In small does adversity might be OK, without relief it's more likely debilitating. I've not seen Cripps look so disinterested before, but yesterday he looked like a guy who didn't want to be there, a player going through the motions. Daisy looked old, sMurph looked old and Meat was the old meat.
I gather yesterday ends any thoughts that Phillips and Levi are viable AFL 1st ruckmen!
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne - Thryleon - 05-05-2019
(05-05-2019, 09:53 PM)LP link Wrote:That's exactly the scenario.
The crew Manrgrook predicted a 60pt defeat based on our outs and our inexperienced list combined with the motivation Norp were receiving off the media and Scott's ball on the line. Most Carlton fans scoffed at their prediction, some even sledged them, so I suspect they are owed an apology!
We lost how many hundred games of experience after last weekend, and we brought in how many games of experience?
The bigger worry is did the club see this coming, if they did then they haven't played their media cards very well this week, if they didn't they are basically incompetent despite the realisation they have no other choice? Especially given the list management decision they have made in the recent past?
Are there any positives we can take from this game?
Despite being besieged Weitering kept it together to the best of his ability, but we do not want him BoG in such circumstances but he probably was.
But again my biggest worry remains, I do not think being battered week in week out is necessarily good for the kids. In small does adversity might be OK, without relief it's more likely debilitating. I've not seen Cripps look so disinterested before, but yesterday he looked like a guy who didn't want to be there, a player going through the motions. Daisy looked old, sMurph looked old and Meat was the old meat.
I gather yesterday ends any thoughts that Phillips and Levi are viable AFL 1st ruckmen!
What did you want the club to say??
They can't put the queue in the rack. The selection of stocker was a tell.
If we are debuting players while o'Brien is getting a game we wont win many.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne - JonHenry - 05-05-2019
(05-05-2019, 09:52 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Murphy's stats yesterday were first year player level. However we dont have a better player knocking on the door to come in and are missing experienced heads who draw an opponent. I'd rather he get hammered in tackles than Sam Walsh so he's still more useful to us than Liam stocker and lachie o brien.
We are already missing experienced heads. Taking another one out probably wont help us much.
Kennedy and Setterfield.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne - LP - 05-05-2019
(05-05-2019, 10:07 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:What did you want the club to say??
They can't put the queue in the rack. The selection of stocker was a tell.
If we are debuting players while o'Brien is getting a game we wont win many.
They should have just said the truth, after so many outs it was going to be a tough week.
I knew it, you knew it, we all had slim hope and the truth won't change that. But the reality of the outs was so far from the dream sold to us that many just wanted to believe in a fairytale.
Would the players have been less prepared if the week's pre-game speak was full of adversity rather than expectation? We let the media and Norp install us as favourites and I fear some of the kids actually believed it! Yesterday they played like a team that had got ahead of themselves, and based on what an honourable loss against a senior team on the slide?
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne - Thryleon - 05-05-2019
(05-05-2019, 10:10 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:Kennedy and Setterfield.
Out of stocker, o brien, Kennedy, setterfield and Marc Murphy, you would name Murphy first even with yesterdays stats.
Setterfield and Kennedy would have helped yesterday but only as alternatives to players that gave us nothing.
Even paddy dow and sps were crap yesterday.
(05-05-2019, 10:13 PM)LP link Wrote:They should have just said the truth, after so many outs it was going to be a tough week.
I knew it, you knew it, we all had slim hope and the truth won't change that. But the reality of the outs was so far from dream sold many just wanted to believe in a fairy tale.
Would the players have been less prepared if the weeks pre-game speak was full of adversity rather than expectation? We let the media and Norp install us as favourites and I fear some of the kids believed it!
No. I think you're confusing public perception with reality. Our team played like they didn't believe they could win yesterday, and they switched off after our first goal conceded.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne - cookie2 - 05-05-2019
(05-05-2019, 10:17 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Out of stocker, o brien, Kennedy, setterfield and Marc Murphy, you would name Murphy first even with yesterdays stats.
Setterfield and Kennedy would have helped yesterday but only as alternatives to players that gave us nothing.
Even paddy dow and sps were crap yesterday.
No. I think you're confusing public perception with reality. Our team played like they didn't believe they could win yesterday, and they switched off after our first goal conceded.
The more we keep losing the less will be our belief in our ability to win, especially with the present dearth of on field leadership. Lack of solid mature leadership could be the undoing of this rebuild imo. The club has got to fix it asap.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne - LP - 05-05-2019
(05-05-2019, 10:17 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:No. I think you're confusing public perception with reality. Our team played like they didn't believe they could win yesterday, and they switched off after our first goal conceded.
I've offered a consistent message this week, from the day after the last loss and the beginnings of the media pursuit of The Pudding Face Twin, it was clear the tone was set for this game. FFS, Duck even came out and pumped up our tyres, and people took it for granted!
Any half-ar5ed drunken dog and his mates could see this coming, yet because of our list management decisions our MC had no choice because of the way the list is constructed. This is reality, the real price they have to pay for decisions taken long ago!
You could even add to this the club being bullied into changing the defensive game plan to get back in the media's good books, because there was no other reason to do so from a football perspective.
So there should be no point acting shocked about this result, it was always going to happen, and I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often! I think we've just been lucky more AFL hardened opponents haven't been in such desperate circumstances against us!
(05-05-2019, 10:24 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:The more we keep losing the less will be our belief in our ability to win, especially with the present dearth of on field leadership. Lack of solid mature leadership could be the undoing of this rebuild imo. The club has got to fix it asap.
x1000, it's reality isn't it Cookie2, the mental damage can be just as debilitating as a physical injury!