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Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - Inboltswetrust - 03-22-2019
(03-22-2019, 12:59 AM)PaulP link Wrote:If we believe some of what is written on here, this supposed "soft c0ck" player attitude has persisted for at least a decade. Which means that apart from a few like Simmo, Murph, Krooz, many of the "originators" are now long gone. Our list has also turned over several times in these years. All coaches, recruiters, football department people and other support staff have also changed. Yet supposedly this problem persists ? All because all of a little bloke who couldn't scare a school girl ? Gee, he must pretty tough if he can hold influence over other players, coaches, recruiters etc.
I call BS. Massive, massive BS.
No it's not BS. Bad cultures linger around. Bolts is a part of it, and maybe even contributes to it.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - PaulP - 03-22-2019
(03-22-2019, 03:26 AM)Inboltswetrust link Wrote:No it's not BS. Bad cultures linger around. Bolts is a part of it, and maybe even contributes to it.
And yet, Bolton has come from a club that supposedly has an elite culture, and has witnessed it first hand, quite possibly also contributed to it.
But now, he comes to us, and Murphy manages to corrupt him as well ? Introduces him to the "Carlton Way ?"
Classic.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - sydneybluesfan - 03-22-2019
I sat thru both games yesterday and they were eerily similar in a lot of respects. The Richmond pressure, attack on the ball, structure behind the ball, fast spread from the contest and overlap run is very good, and it wore us down in both games.
In contrast we look incredibly haphazard, but the effort is generally very good - there are periods of really good stuff, some individual moments of brilliance, but it is still not a sustainable approach. It's impossible to do for 4 quarters.
Unfortunately cohesion and understanding can only be built over time and guys playing together. What worries me [like a lot of people here] is that it is hard to see what the actual game plan is, and our ball movement through the middle and into our forward line remains a dogs breakfast after 5 years.
One moment stood out for me early in the last quarter when on a fast break Murph had to stop, prop, and do a u turn on the outer wing as their was no in a good position to kick too. Good sides never do this.
The difference in ball handling in both games was stark - we fumble, panic, and give the ball to guys in bad positions way more than they did in both games. The number of uncontested marks taken by their defenders in both games was also way too high.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - Gointocarlton - 03-22-2019
BB summed it up in the presser:
8 mins of rubbish football resulted in 6 goals. There's the margin.
Luckwise, we kick that goal to make it 7 points, the game is suddenly different perhaps.
Gotta do it better for longer boys and girls, its that simple. Part of doing it longer though is to reduce the number of passengers. After every game, I rate the players out of 10. I have 7 from last nights game that I would rate 4.5 or lower. That's one third of the team, you ain't winning games of football with 7 oxygen thieves out of 22.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - bratblue - 03-22-2019
(03-22-2019, 03:35 AM)PaulP link Wrote:And yet, Bolton has come from a club that supposedly has an elite culture, and has witnessed it first hand, quite possibly also contributed to it.
But now, he comes to us, and Murphy manages to corrupt him as well ? Introduces him to the "Carlton Way ?"
Classic.
You ll never win with these two Paul as their agendas are not ours but good luck trying.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - shawny - 03-22-2019
(03-22-2019, 03:39 AM)sydneybluesfan link Wrote:I sat thru both games yesterday and they were eerily similar in a lot of respects. The Richmond pressure, attack on the ball, structure behind the ball, fast spread from the contest and overlap run is very good, and it wore us down in both games.
In contrast we look incredibly haphazard, but the effort is generally very good - there are periods of really good stuff, some individual moments of brilliance, but it is still not a sustainable approach. It's impossible to do for 4 quarters.
Unfortunately cohesion and understanding can only be built over time and guys playing together. What worries me [like a lot of people here] is that it is hard to see what the actual game plan is, and our ball movement through the middle and into our forward line remains a dogs breakfast after 5 years.
One moment stood out for me early in the last quarter when on a fast break Murph had to stop, prop, and do a u turn on the outer wing as their was no in a good position to kick too. Good sides never do this.
The difference in ball handling in both games was stark - we fumble, panic, and give the ball to guys in bad positions way more than they did in both games. The number of uncontested marks taken by their defenders in both games was also way too high.
What a great post.
You nailed everything i was thinking!
The effort is definately there, our players as individuals seem like we have the makings of a powerful team but geez we are miles off game plan wise.
The movement of the ball into our f50 is still the worst in the comp and without this addressed we won’t win many games regardless of the development of the young kids.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - PaulP - 03-22-2019
(03-22-2019, 03:53 AM)bratblue link Wrote:You ll never win with these two Paul as their agendas are not ours but good luck trying.
No worries bratblue. I have no issue with Spanner or IBWT. Just another pointless stoush on a footy forum. At least this one made me chuckle.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - BluePhantom - 03-22-2019
Just rewatched a bit of last night and I have thought about it before, the Tiggers don't have two players tackling one man.
If someone is tackling a player they stand off and wait for the ball to come free.
Our players on the other hand always seem to do 2 or 3 player team tackling. I think this is silly because it takes a player out of the next contest and allows one of the opposition players to become free.
You see it all the time with 2 of our players go hunting the man with the ball only for him to pass it off to his free team mate. It craps me.
U12 stuff.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - sydneybluesfan - 03-22-2019
(03-22-2019, 03:53 AM)shawny link Wrote:What a great post.Just saw this from the AFL.com live feed which speaks to this directly......
You nailed everything i was thinking!
The effort is definately there, our players as individuals seem like we have the makings of a powerful team but geez we are miles off game plan wise.
The movement of the ball into our f50 is still the worst in the comp and without this addressed we won’t win many games regardless of the development of the young kids.
'Richmond was able to move the ball more effectively scoring 54-7 from defensive midfield chains, and leading 67-35 in overall scores from intercepts.'
We scored 1.1 from clean transition out of defence to 8.6. And they were twice as effective as us capitalising on turnovers.
Just think about that for a few moments and it scares the piss out of you!
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - capcom - 03-22-2019
The deficiences (some of them) should have been addressed over summer with some hard intra club games. A brutal coaching approach to any shortcomings might have achieved more than witnessing some of the intimidation self protection I saw last night