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Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - northernblue - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 02:37 PM)Tragic link Wrote:It's been a crap year for sure. No denying it. Most of us thought the previous 2 years were reasonable all things considered. There has been no continuity as a team this year. Judging the 3 years as a whole and taking everything into consideration i'm not jumping ship yet. less confident than i was at the start of the season, but not keen on bringing out the pitchforks for now. i will judge them at the end of next season so they have a chance to reply for this season. lots of teams have hiccup years it's just that ours is coming off a very low base so we look bloody awful. we have totally stunk it up this year.
This.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - deags - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 10:25 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:That imo is a classic symptom of a bad collapse in team morale, see my previous post.
I'm not so sure Cookie.
I would agree that it's not helping, but I don't agree that it's a major issue.
This has been happening the whole year. We have played a couple of really good games, that should be enough to get morale up, then we come out the next week and play like we are entitled to win based on last weeks performance.
Add to that, some of these guys are playing for their spot on an AFL list. They aren't going to get another chance. I'd think that would be incentive enough.
I've said it before and I will probably be laughed at for saying it again...
Want to know why guys like Polsen get a game? Because they don't leave anything out on the field. Why do our forwards get dropped and can't get back in (unless the MC reads too many news articles and fold to media pressure)? No work ethic.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 09:38 PM)Professer E link Wrote:I refuse to blame Bolton for this predicament, although his dogmatic, generic coaching shtick is wearing thin. The players are equally culpable. Effort, application and execution of basic skills, nothing beyond them in those demands.
Bolton is tactically very poor IMO......dopey Zone defense you could drive a convoy through and just refuses to acknowledge the better players in the opposition teams...ie Mitchell yesterday......it was coaching 101 to tag him and Bolton did what he has done for 3 years now and froze in the coaches box along with Barker and the other goon squad we have assembled.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - Inboltswetrust - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 01:46 PM)Lods link Wrote:I'll say it again...it's not so much your opinions that you get attacked for because your disappointment and views are shared by a few folk.
It's the way you express it.
We're not a great club at present, Bolton may prove not to be a great coach...and the admin... well we're not too sure who they are from day to day at the moment... but putrid is just over the top.
Lods,
here is a definition of 'putrid'
putrid
ˈ
1. decaying or rotting and emitting a fetid smell.
2. very unpleasant; repulsive.
I would say both of these definitions are suitable for where we are at a the minute. 1-16????? This is breaking all sort of records for the wrong reason. So is 2-27???
I would say 'putrid' is putting it nicely.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - dodge - 07-22-2018
Couple of things:
In the first quarter especially, there were a quite a few times where the Carlton player would try to cover off a Hawk and move to (say) the left. Hawk easily moved to the right and was away. It was frustrating to watch.
Culture/effort and all that. We are shooting ourselves in the foot a bit. We bring in blokes like Rhys Palmer and Billie Smedts - mature age that can help us out and they play less than a handful of games in either the ones or twos. One season later they're gone. Got rid of over 40 players in three seasons. Hard to build a team like that when a lot of players would be looking over their shoulders seeing if they are the next to go. Add that to at least 3 changes every week and it makes it very hard to build cohesion. The players certainly don't look as if they are playing for each other.
It is really hard to know what the club is looking for from these players (are Mullet and O'Shea the next two to be treated the same?) and what players they are looking at down the track.
In the meantime, I will be surprised if we get within 10 goals of anyone for the rest of the season.
(ps congrats to whoever said Bruest 5 goals, Blues 7)
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - Lods - 07-22-2018
IBWT
Just check your Personal Messages
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - Micky0 - 07-22-2018
Reality is, do we believe we have the best people in place to get us out of this shit? Do we believe what we've been told?
Personally I have to believe that BB, SOS & Co are a lot smarter and knowledgeable than me so I will stay on board. It's hard watching and I feel for the boys getting smashed out on the ground, but hopefully we will turn it around sooner rather than later.
We have no option but to stay the course. If we fire BB, who replaces him? No, sorry, I'm not doing that again.
Look to last year, BB CAN coach. Do you think what he's doing goes unchecked, ie Mitchell not being tagged? There had to have been a reason, a lesson in there or simply didn't have anyone to tag him - I don't know. But what I know is that they're all in it together, it's their reputations on the line, they will get us out of this. (Hopes and prays to the footy gods! )
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - Micky0 - 07-22-2018
An aside - was Murphy injured y'day? He looked terrible to me - and I am not a slammer of him usually but was extremely frustrating to watch him.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - Bear - 07-23-2018
(07-22-2018, 11:18 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Bolton is tactically very poor IMO......dopey Zone defense you could drive a convoy through and just refuses to acknowledge the better players in the opposition teams...ie Mitchell yesterday......it was coaching 101 to tag him and Bolton did what he has done for 3 years now and froze in the coaches box along with Barker and the other goon squad we have assembled.
Surely we have one other player, other than Ed Curnow, who can run with someone... i mean, put Lochie O'Brien on Smith and see what happens... but you simply had to put Ed on Mitchell yesterday.
Mitchell has to get 30+ to have an impact, so make him scrap for them.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - Lods - 07-23-2018
(07-22-2018, 11:56 PM)Micky0 link Wrote:Look to last year, BB CAN coach. Do you think what he's doing goes unchecked, ie Mitchell not being tagged? There had to have been a reason, a lesson in there or simply didn't have anyone to tag him - I don't know. But what I know is that they're all in it together, it's their reputations on the line, they will get us out of this. (Hopes and prays to the footy gods! )
I was thinking the same thing.
Lot's of folk asking why Mitchell was allowed the free reign...even the commentators.
If it was that obvious to everyone.
Blind Freddy would have tagged him.
The answer to the question is..there must have been a reason.
(Edit...OK so I've just listened to Bolton's after match...and Mitchell's initial match-up was Zac Fisher!!!-for education .... and when Fisher went down it became the responsibility of some of the other younger ones. When asked why he didn't use Curnow..."It would have been robbing Peter to pay Paul...we're two down on rotations")