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Re: 2018 Rd 14; Pre Game Preparations: Carlton vs Collingwood - DJC - 06-22-2018 (06-22-2018, 08:13 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Sometimes a coach can be close but needs the right support around him. We can see this with Hardwick/Caracella, and Malthouse/Buckley. Bolton's tactics may or may not be sound, but I find it hard to believe that players who have been in the system for many years could play so badly so regularly. I'm not suggesting he's a good or bad coach, but something looks like it's being lost in translation. A small market correction may be in order. Montagna would know as much as I do. The two examples he plucked out are similar to footage the so-called experts trot out every week for virtually every game. Unless the players repeat the error every time they are in that situation, it’s the player’s error and not a structural or coaching error. Re: 2018 Rd 14; Pre Game Preparations: Carlton vs Collingwood - PaulP - 06-22-2018 (06-22-2018, 09:28 AM)DJC link Wrote:Montagna would know as much as I do. The two examples he plucked out are similar to footage the so-called experts trot out every week for virtually every game. Unless the players repeat the error every time they are in that situation, it’s the player’s error and not a structural or coaching error. Maybe, but when you're having the season we're having, there appear to be far too many amateurish player errors, players who look a little confused, and they shouldn't be. I've watched most, if not all, of Bolton's pressers, plus other media work, and to me he seems like a good communicator. He seems to have a good grasp of the mechanics of footy. But it takes two to tango, and I don't believe for a minute that our problems are all down to the players. Re: 2018 Rd 14; Pre Game Preparations: Carlton vs Collingwood - blue4life - 06-22-2018 (06-22-2018, 09:35 AM)PaulP link Wrote:...............and I don't believe for a minute that our problems are all down to the players. Not all, around 95% at a guess. I can feel a shellacking coming on this weekend by the way. Re: 2018 Rd 14; Pre Game Preparations: Carlton vs Collingwood - Baggers - 06-22-2018 (06-22-2018, 08:13 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Sometimes a coach can be close but needs the right support around him. We can see this with Hardwick/Caracella, and Malthouse/Buckley. Bolton's tactics may or may not be sound, but I find it hard to believe that players who have been in the system for many years could play so badly so regularly. I'm not suggesting he's a good or bad coach, but something looks like it's being lost in translation. A small market correction may be in order. I wonder if BB is one of the those blokes who wants to do everything... control freak. When coaches learn to delegate and trust they inevitably get a better result. Re: 2018 Rd 14; Pre Game Preparations: Carlton vs Collingwood - PaulP - 06-22-2018 (06-22-2018, 09:42 AM)blue4life link Wrote:Not all, around 95% at a guess. You could never put a number on it. Coaches have to know what they're doing, just like the players. If Bolton's message isn't getting through, then it's on him to figure out a way to get it across. The players aren't dumb. Re: 2018 Rd 14; Pre Game Preparations: Carlton vs Collingwood - PaulP - 06-22-2018 (06-22-2018, 10:00 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I wonder if BB is one of the those blokes who wants to do everything... control freak. When coaches learn to delegate and trust they inevitably get a better result. Not sure Baggers. Re: 2018 Rd 14; Pre Game Preparations: Carlton vs Collingwood - blue4life - 06-22-2018 (06-22-2018, 10:12 AM)PaulP link Wrote:You could never put a number on it. Coaches have to know what they're doing, just like the players. If Bolton's message isn't getting through, then it's on him to figure out a way to get it across. The players aren't dumb. Charlie Curnow must like what he's hearing at least, he wouldn't have been short of offers if he decided to move. Re: 2018 Rd 14; Pre Game Preparations: Carlton vs Collingwood - PaulP - 06-22-2018 (06-22-2018, 10:22 AM)blue4life link Wrote:Charlie Curnow must like what he's hearing at least, he wouldn't have been short of offers if he decided to move. He may well like the place, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for big improvement on both sides, coaches and players. Re: 2018 Rd 14; Pre Game Preparations: Carlton vs Collingwood - blue4life - 06-22-2018 (06-22-2018, 10:33 AM)PaulP link Wrote:He may well like the place, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for big improvement on both sides, coaches and players. If you look critically at the teams we've been putting on the park for the last month or so you wouldn't be expecting any wins and the odd belting shouldn't come as a surprise. Believe me I get as pissed off about it as anyone, but then reality kicks in and I realise that Jock McHale, Norm Smith and John Kennedy rolled into one couldn't conjure a win against Collingwood on Sunday with the team that the CFC will send into battle. Re: 2018 Rd 14; Pre Game Preparations: Carlton vs Collingwood - PaulP - 06-22-2018 (06-22-2018, 10:53 AM)blue4life link Wrote:If you look critically at the teams we've been putting on the park for the last month or so you wouldn't be expecting any wins and the odd belting shouldn't come as a surprise. I'm not expecting a win, but an honorable loss would be nice. If you have a team full of stars, like the Lions 3 peat team, what does the coach do ? Ratten made the point once he moved to the Hawks that so many of their players were very easy to coach. In among the awful skill errors etc., I just wonder whether Bolton is making things harder than he should. Adding the offensive layer has been an epic fail IMO. And that's down to coaches and players IMO. The contrast between 2016, 17 and now is palpable. |