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Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - Thryleon - 04-09-2018
(04-09-2018, 05:18 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:I largely agree with you (for once).
But when is the right time for the Coach to be questioned?
Already we have seen some absolutely poor selections being made ie for the Gold Coast game when Special K was an out and then tactically in Rd 3 when seemingly diddly was done to stop the 10 goal run on the Pies got on....
And let'd be frank, the Pies are about as good/bad as us overall.
You question the coach when you see what he does at the club and wonder why?
What the rank and file think isn't important it's the players and the club. If they can see he's putting in the work and practices that focus on development then the game day stuff will look after itself in time.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - kruddler - 04-09-2018
(04-09-2018, 03:33 AM)LP link Wrote:Sick of hearing those media grabs like, "Carlton won the I50 count!"
You complain when they don't have anything positive to say about us.
You complain when they try and say something positive about us.
:-\
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - flyboy77 - 04-09-2018
(04-09-2018, 06:55 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:You question the coach when you see what he does at the club and wonder why?
What the rank and file think isn't important it's the players and the club. If they can see he's putting in the work and practices that focus on development then the game day stuff will look after itself in time.
I'm hearing plenty of verbiage....not much action!
I'm not seeing much change onfield....and plenty of same, same. Sadly.
And poor selections and poor match day strategy....
Other than that, it all looks beaut
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 04-09-2018
(04-09-2018, 07:20 AM)kruddler link Wrote:You complain when they don't have anything positive to say about us.That "they", the "sh1te stirring they" is the media.
(04-09-2018, 07:20 AM)kruddler link Wrote:You complain when they try and say something positive about us. :-\This "they", the "I50 they", is the club spinning.
You love posting ambiguities Kruddler.
This latest one is called an "Ambiguity of Cross Reference", two "they" that are not the same!
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - kruddler - 04-09-2018
(04-09-2018, 08:56 AM)LP link Wrote:That "they", the "sh1te stirring they" is the media.
This "they", the "I50 they", is the club spinning.
You love posting ambiguities Kruddler.
This latest one is called an "Ambiguity of Cross Reference", two "they" that are not the same!
The second "They" is not exclusive to the club. Its been said in the media too. I'd argue before being mentioned from the club.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-09-2018
(04-09-2018, 04:47 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Yep most of our inside fifties went straight to Jack crisp.
Reckon another coach might have said if I put a player who can take a mark on Crisp we might snag half of the nine he took....I remember Crisp lost his lunch in the middle of the ground when a high ball came in and he came up a few steps short so any semblance of pressure down back on him might have led to some scoring opportunities...but instead we just left him on his own and he looked like Gary Dempsey taking mark after mark down back...as a supporter there is nothing more frustrating than watching repeat entry failures from your team with the same method.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - kruddler - 04-09-2018
(04-09-2018, 09:17 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Reckon another coach might have said if I put a player who can take a mark on Crisp we might snag half of the nine he took....I remember Crisp lost his lunch in the middle of the ground when a high ball came in and he came up a few steps short so any semblance of pressure down back on him might have led to some scoring opportunities...but instead we just left him on his own and he looked Gary Dempsey taking mark after mark down back...as a supporter there is nothing more frustrating than watching repeat entry failures from your team with the same method.It will continue to happen if we insist with going with 7 defenders....which we do more often than not.
Until we can let go of that safety net, we will struggle to get quality inside 50's.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - laj - 04-09-2018
Often, not always, rebuilds have a stinker for one year at some point before coming good again. Even Richmond had a stinker in 2016 before winning a flag in 2017. Geelong had one in 2006 before winning in 2007. Even back to the Lions, they had a stinker in 1998, a spoon, then immediately turned into a super side. Those were at later stages than ours but it often happens. Even Ratten had a bad one in 2012 after improving every year, if you can call that a rebuild given our rotten recruiting with a side stuck with near half a side off the rookie list. Probably always going to require a 2nd rebuild given our recruiting.Fortunately 5 Rising Star nominations last year indicates things might be better.
On the other hand Hawthorn went straight though to 2008 and the Dogs did similar.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - Raydan - 04-09-2018
Was at the game Friday night and wow I can see why our defence sucks and his name is Mullet. The media is getting on Jones and Weitering but in Jones' case, he is covering for the soft, stat chasing Mullet and it's making him look bad. I speak of a goal to Treloar, whom Jones was standing, the ball was kicked to Stephenson (I think) just outside 50 and Treloar was in the pocket. Jones was the closest player so he left his player and ran to Stephenson, as you should when playing a team defence, else Stephenson could have jogged into 40 and kicked an easy goal.
In leaving his player, it is the responsibility of the spare man or closest man to roll over and cover Treloar, this did not happen and Stephenson was able to pop a 35m pass to Treloar who goaled from a set shot.
When Treloar marked I looked at the closest players, and Mullet was standing at the top of the square guarding no one. This goal was not Jones" fault but Mullet's. The cynic in me (which is more often than not right) would think that Mullet was standing close to goals, so in the event of a point he could grab the ball and kick in, have you noticed he ALWAYS taps the ball on his foot from a kick out, just to get a stat.
Plowman must be feeling very secure and happy about his position in the side, as he does not much else than stand an opponent and look as he breaks his tackle or out sprints him to the ball. I'm convinced if Plowman and Mullet were replaced by Docherty and A.Silvagni then Collingwood doesn't get half it's score. I like Cunningham at half back, while it wasn't a perfect game he did some things that made me think a year or two there and we'll have a real player.
Now we look forward and Lamb must only be played from now on when we play Hawthorn, and Matthew Wright, if he's not getting the over the top goals then he's near useless. Does not chase, does not rove off hands and clogs movement up by standing in leading paths.
People laud Cripps and what a great player he is, I've watched him twice this season live and both times I've been staggered at his lack of second efforts without the ball, if a player gets around you, then you have to chase, whether you think you can catch him or not. Three or four times a player got around Cripps and he offered a jog at best for 5 steps. Kruezer on the other hand will chase even if he has no chance just to apply a bit of pressure, and FFS Cripps take the first, and more often than not, the best option rather than try and fake 5 players out and do a no look fancy hand pass that and work 10% of the time. SPS is guilty of this too, yet Fisher will give the first and best option, regardless if it looks great or not.
J.Silvagni needs to come back in to give us someone with forward understanding, Kerridge for Dow who needs a rest, Mullet for the bootstudder. Wright is lucky Pickett's not up and going and the same goes for Plowman and A.Silvagni.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 04-09-2018
Thank-you Raydan, it proves to me that a lot of the commentary is bullcrap based on clips and stats without half of them ever having watched a game live at the ground.
A lot of this is impossible to mistake for anybody half interested in football, yet it's barely mentioned in professional sports journalism! The reports often slaughter the last bloke in the line, and are ignorant of the person responsible. Our last line of defenders, and often that is Jones and Weitering, have been left with way too many opponents to cover and it makes them look silly especially when smart teams take advantage of that situation. Then the defenders desperate efforts to kill the footy look chaotic, too little and too late, but it is not their fault!
You would have also witnessed some of those long F50 entry kicks that dropped short, while our forwards stood motionless waiting for the ball to fall in their lap, over the back of the pack! In one incident our bloke stood at the back of a pack while a 50m to 60m kick came into the F50 from between the wing and HFF, two Collingwood defenders looked at each other nervously waiting for the forward to move because they were caught 5m in front of him, he didn't move, and they virtually shrugged in disbelief ran forward took any easy uncontested mark and ran out of our attacking zone with minimal pressure. This wasn't a bullet like pass that left the forward no time to react, it was a long high kick that took seconds to get there and was probably only 5m short of perfection, maybe three or four steps for our forward!