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Re: JLT 2018 - Carlton v Hawthorn (Sat 10th Feb) - jeza - 03-10-2018
(03-10-2018, 11:21 AM)LP link Wrote:True, but you have to measure this relative to the Dawks midfield rotations, the Dawks went quite a lot with their B-Graders early in the second half until late when they went back to the A-Graders. By then they had lost the momentum, but the Dawks started winning and spreading again quite late.
I did not notice any Hawks B graders in the middle. They had Burgoyne, Mitchell and O'Meara playing full games in the middle. They were there all out trying to win that game with little experimentation from what I could tell.
Re: JLT 2018 - Carlton v Hawthorn (Sat 10th Feb) - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-10-2018
(03-10-2018, 11:28 AM)jeza link Wrote:Winning is better than losing.
Considering what was happening to us last year in preseason when we scored 32 against Hawthorn in Tassy cracking 100 is definitely better.
Without a ruckman and Bolton pulling all kinds of odd changes (O'Shea / O'Brien / Samo all playing a quarter each, etc.).
The hawks had their best team in and really had a massive crack. Couldn't maintain their early energy levels (they look unfit and short on depth) or kick straight... sucks to be them.
I'd agree with that, Hawks looked light on for leadership down back with Hodge out and some of their kids are not ready and the reliance on Mitchell is massive.
When they lose Burgoyne to retirement they are going to be in all sorts of trouble unless they can engineer some big trades..wont make the eight IMO.
Re: JLT 2018 - Carlton v Hawthorn (Sat 10th Feb) - madbluboy - 03-10-2018
(03-10-2018, 11:04 AM)DJC link Wrote:Were you at the game, watching it on line or just sooking that your man Malthouse is no longer involved?
We lost our most important player, kicked 8 goals in a quarter, and held out to defeat one of the powerhouse clubs of the last 50 years. Yes, it’s only a JLT game but the effort we put in tonight was a significant improvement.
Watched it on tv dick head.
Re: JLT 2018 - Carlton v Hawthorn (Sat 10th Feb) - LP - 03-10-2018
(03-10-2018, 11:28 AM)jeza link Wrote:The hawks had their best team in and really had a massive crack.
I'll tell Shiels and Rioil, sucks to be them!
I suppose Birchall and Langford just make up the numbers.
Re: JLT 2018 - Carlton v Hawthorn (Sat 10th Feb) - mateinone - 03-10-2018
It wasn't a great game and we got smashed in regards to getting the ball into our 50, against teams like Richmond, Adelaide, GWS etc I would expect that to result in a toweling, however it was great to see the tenacity shown in the comeback.
We need to move the ball a lot sharper by hands, in both the previous two games our opponents have been able to basically bamboozle us with their hands and we can't do the same to them.
My biggest positive from the night though?
Probably the best game I can remember Levi playing. Looks much fitter to me and was the dominant big man on the ground in my eyes. I had him BOG on my first pass watching it, I will see if I feel the same after the replay
Re: JLT 2018 - Carlton v Hawthorn (Sat 10th Feb) - LP - 03-10-2018
(03-10-2018, 11:32 AM)jeza link Wrote:I did not notice any Hawks B graders in the middle. They had Burgoyne, Mitchell and O'Meara playing full games in the middle. They were there all out trying to win that game with little experimentation from what I could tell.
You wish! ;D
Don't get me wrong we looked OK, but it's wildly optimistic to think the Dawks midfield went hard for four quarters.
Re: JLT 2018 - Carlton v Hawthorn (Sat 10th Feb) - jeza - 03-10-2018
(03-10-2018, 11:02 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Crips had 29 possessions, but they were almost all handballs.
Murphy had 23, again a lot of handballs.
Weitering had 26 disposals and 12 marks. Jones has 17. The Hawthorn tall forwards did nothing!
Kennedy had 20: 10 kicks and 10 handballs.
Our tall forwards did nothing either. Was not a great night for ball handling or high marking.
Re: JLT 2018 - Carlton v Hawthorn (Sat 10th Feb) - LP - 03-10-2018
(03-10-2018, 11:36 AM)mateinone link Wrote:Probably the best game I can remember Levi playing. Looks much fitter to me and was the dominant big man on the ground in my eyes. I had him BOG on my first pass watching it, I will see if I feel the same after the replay
Yes I agree about Levi, but I had Weitering BoG.
In regard to Levi, it's hard to tell how hard 30 year old blokes with nothing to prove like McEvoy and Murphy are really going in the JLT! For example, would Burgoyne ever kick 5 behinds in the real season! But Levi dominated Schoenmakers, which is good because they are much more likely to be matched in the real season.
I'd reckon the old blokes would do their very best to smash a kid in the pre-season, because that gives them a psychological advantage. But they have very little to gain by going hard against a ten year opponent.
I liked Levi's work rate, he was deep in defence and pushing forward, so he must be fitter.
The best thing to take out of the JLT is when a kid like Pickett makes a senior player look like a goose, the senior player doesn't want the kid to gain confidence under any circumstance!
Re: JLT 2018 - Carlton v Hawthorn (Sat 10th Feb) - cookie2 - 03-10-2018
Have not seen it yet, hopefully find time on Sun. Always good to beat the Hawks and hopefully the coach saw what he was looking for and achieved what he wanted out of this hit out. We certainly practiced dealing a sharp blow (3q) and holding on for the win which looks like it could possibly be our mo this year?
Re: JLT 2018 - Carlton v Hawthorn (Sat 10th Feb) - jeza - 03-10-2018
(03-10-2018, 11:36 AM)LP link Wrote:I'll tell Shiels and Rioil, sucks to be them!
I suppose Birchall and Langford just make up the numbers.
They're all injured. Best available team was on the park. Not my fault their list is Dad's Army and can't even make it through preseason. Throughout the season their injury list is only getting worse - not better. Burgoyne is 36 - if he plays more than half the year he'll be doing well and he is easily their best player.