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Re: 2018 - What do you expect from the club? - Professer E - 11-30-2017
I believe that at times in 2018 there are going to be a lot of frustrated Carlton supporters and I fear that one or more of the idiotic factions of the club will pull the trigger and thwart the rebuild before it is finished.
The bottom line is that losing Gibbs and Docherty is going to cost us big time. Those two were huge contributors in wins last year (e.g. Gibbs vs Suns) last year and in Tennis parlance, we have to defend those points for starters just to square the ledger. Some of our wins in 2017 were against very highly rated sides and repeating that would be a great effort.
The list is a step closer to where the club wants it to be but aside from Kennedy and Garlett I can't see any of the draftees contributing in a meaningful way for at least a couple of seasons. The future-thinking drafting is a clear sign of staying the stated course, but does not address immediate needs. For example, we have a Grand Canyon-sized chasm forward of centre to fill. I am concerned that other clubs have been viewed as "destination" clubs and have advanced on us simply by the calibre of players they could attract.
As for game style and general play I expect greatly improved ball movement or questions should be asked. The JLT series is going to give a better guide in this area. I assume that Bolton will have learnt from some of the mistakes of this year e.g playing excessively young sides or inappropriate selections.
The silver lining is next year's draft. Kids like Jack Lukosious and Ivan Rankine are rated as once in a generation type players.
Re: 2018 - What do you expect from the club? - Lods - 11-30-2017
Gibbs and Docherty will be missed...but in the Gibbs case we seem to have recruited players that, even given a worst case scenario, would cover that loss by about 75-80%.
Docherty is arguably our most important player but right up there with him is Cripps and basically it was season over when he went down for the last part of the season.
As well as that we had some significant season ending injuries to other players so the in end it will be injuries that largely determine our fate.
What we hope is that the recruitment of players has added the depth to cover some of these and there is a natural progression of some of the younger players.
Re: 2018 - What do you expect from the club? - shawny - 11-30-2017
Don’t think Gibbs will be as big a loss as many on here are making out. Once you factor we get back Crippa and Ed who both provide the grunt we missed badly in the second half of last season I think he rd 1 team will be superior to the team that ended last season.
Doc on the other hand will be a big loss. Can’t replace him but I’m hopeful that we have a large group of young players in Charlie, jack, SPS, Fisher etc that you would expect a decent increase in output from will still provide us with a bigger boast even taking docs absence into it.
I’m still one of the positive supporters expecting a better year win wise then last year. With the draw we have if injuries to key personal are low I expect 8-10 wins and no blow out loses.
Re: 2018 - What do you expect from the club? - cookie2 - 11-30-2017
I think that the club will persevere with the list rebuild at least for 2018 and possibly beyond. Our pursuit of youthful talent demonstrates that, together with the attempts to bolster the more senior ranks somewhat without selling the farm at this stage The loss of both Gibbs and Docherty will be challenging, although we did manage to hold on to Gibbs for 2017, but I'm looking forward to the emerging talent rising to fill those gaps, together with new recruits such as Mullet, Lang and Garlett.
The 2018 draft and trade periods will likely put the main finishing touches to the rebuild as such and we may even add a marquee player or even two? We are following a good strategy IMO, bearing in mind our recent dire predicament, and I'd be very very surprised if any faction in the club gets any opportunity to pull the pin on it for at least the next two years. By which time I believe the benefits will have become obvious! (puts head on block).
Re: 2018 - What do you expect from the club? - Baggers - 11-30-2017
In my previous post re expectations I left out one very important expectation. Excitement. I really expect to see an exciting brand of footy from us next year, with plenty of dash and dare. The ruthless defensiveness can't fall away, but when we've got the aggott let's be bold with our offensive game.
Re: 2018 - What do you expect from the club? - flyboy77 - 12-01-2017
We've added a lot of outside speed and a lot of left footers.
Garlett, Dow, O'Brien, Schumacher, Mullett added to Willo, Simmo, Harry? (who else). Is O'Shea a leftie?
Even with Doc sidelined and Gibbs goneski (hooray) there will be intense competition for spots.
But you'd expect Mullet wasn't picked up to play 2s, ditto Garlett.
Will Dow and O'Brien be ready for senior action after a (hopefully) injury free pres season.
Having a few players who can kick goals from the 50 arc inevitably disrupts the other team's defensive structures....
From foxsports:
BEST 22
B: Lachie Plowman, Liam Jones, Ciaran Byrne
HB: Caleb Marchbank, Jacob Weitering, Kade Simpson
C: Ed Curnow, Patrick Cripps, Sam Petrevski-Seton
HF: Darcy Lang, Charlie Curnow, Dale Thomas
F: Matthew Wright, Levi Casboult, Harry McKay
FOLL: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Matthew Kennedy
I/C: Tom Williamson, Paddy Dow, Jack Silvagni, Zac Fisher
EMG: Jarrod Pickett, Sam Rowe, Jed Lamb
OTHERS: David Cuningham, Tom De Koning, Jarrod Garlett, Nick Graham, Patrick Kerr, Sam Kerridge, Matthew Lobbe, Harrison Macreadie, Aaron Mullett, Lochie O’Brien, Cam O’Shea, Andrew Phillips, Cam Polson, Angus Schumacher
I really think Simmo and Daisy will struggle to retain a top 22 berth.
I'd have Garlett ahead of Daisy by a country mile personally.
Simmo might be safer given Doc's injury and the need for experience.....expect O'Brien, Mullett, Pickett, Cuners, Macreadie and O'She to be pushing very hard for starting berths.
Re: 2018 - What do you expect from the club? - LP - 12-01-2017
Interesting selection Flyboy, I'm not sure Byrne is such a certainty but he is getting a run in a lot of supporters teams.
For me Liam Jones mobility negates the need for Byrne, I can see Rowe, Jones and Weitering in the one defense with Ploughman, Marchbank and someone like Garlett, Macreadie or Williamson providing run and ball use in the remaining spot.
Wright and Daisy might be under the pump along with Simmo, but their footy smarts and experience make up for what they lack so it's not a black and white issue. Going back a lot of fans bemoaned McLean getting a game, it will be no different with the current group of oldies.
Re: 2018 - What do you expect from the club? - ElwoodBlues1 - 12-01-2017
(11-30-2017, 11:27 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:I think that the club will persevere with the list rebuild at least for 2018 and possibly beyond. Our pursuit of youthful talent demonstrates that, together with the attempts to bolster the more senior ranks somewhat without selling the farm at this stage The loss of both Gibbs and Docherty will be challenging, although we did manage to hold on to Gibbs for 2017, but I'm looking forward to the emerging talent rising to fill those gaps, together with new recruits such as Mullet, Lang and Garlett.
The 2018 draft and trade periods will likely put the main finishing touches to the rebuild as such and we may even add a marquee player or even two? We are following a good strategy IMO, bearing in mind our recent dire predicament, and I'd be very very surprised if any faction in the club gets any opportunity to pull the pin on it for at least the next two years. By which time I believe the benefits will have become obvious! (puts head on block).
New look list needs a new captain to steer the new direction......2019 I would change the leadership group and start with a new captain.
2018 is meant to be a strong draft...IMO its the last one we should be going hard on young kids and we should be starting to get some A grade readymade talent through the door...problem with that of course is we need to win more games to sell the club as finals bound and I think with Gibbs and Docherty missing thats going to be the hard bit .
Kennedy, Lang and Lobbe were fringe players at their previous clubs..Mullet was dumped for being soft....Garlett is a unknown quantity for several reasons...not to say these players wont grab their opportunity and be good players for us but at the moment improvement and coverage for the loss of Gibbs and Docherty is very speculative and their isnt one game on the fixture I would back us in with a concrete guarantee we would win. 2018 is a holding year IMO, if we win more games its a bonus and the likes of Lynch, Patton might want to come our way but I'd temper that with common sense that losing your best player(Docherty) for 12 months and one of your top 5 ie Gibbs isnt an easy fix with fringe players from other clubs and lightly built kids fresh from the draft.
Another injury or two to key players and we would be on the ropes...all while trying to discover a new attacking game style and integrate new kids into the senior team.. we have to hope also that some other teams go backwards at a big rate of knots and some of the others on the rise stagnate...
Re: 2018 - What do you expect from the club? - cookie2 - 12-01-2017
@EB1
Great observations EB. Atm we have to trust in SOS and BB et al to get it right. A key factor will be player mindsets and the club culture which, as you have pointed out, will definitely be subjected to arduous stress testing. I think for healthy development in those areas we need 8/9 wins. more if we could! I'm certainly feeling positive generally but all we can really do for now is hope, trust and wait!
Re: 2018 - What do you expect from the club? - flyboy77 - 12-01-2017
(12-01-2017, 12:31 AM)LP link Wrote:Interesting selection Flyboy, I'm not sure Byrne is such a certainty but he is getting a run in a lot of supporters teams.
For me Liam Jones mobility negates the need for Byrne, I can see Rowe, Jones and Weitering in the one defense with Ploughman, Marchbank and someone like Garlett, Macreadie or Williamson providing run and ball use in the remaining spot.
Wright and Daisy might be under the pump along with Simmo, but their footy smarts and experience make up for what they lack so it's not a black and white issue. Going back a lot of fans bemoaned McLean getting a game, it will be no different with the current group of oldies.
The selected 22 was from foxsports..... agree with Wright given his well defined output - goals. can't agree re Daisy. He simply doesn't get the ball enough nor influence games enough these days....
I'd like Alex S. in there too - gives a bit more hardness to the backline and can pinch hit forward too.