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Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - cookie2 - 10-11-2017
(10-11-2017, 03:12 AM)LP link Wrote:None Cookie.
You don't need science or math to debunk this sort of rubbish, you just have to ask basic questions that the wild theories won't cover;
Like how do you use a point source microphone to analyse sounds that echo between skyscrapers?
Why none of the ten of thousands of people there on the night have unambiguously reported a second shooter?
Why none of the hundreds of participating active law enforcement officers report or engaged a second shooter?
The complete absence of unambiguous physical evidence such as hundreds or even thousands of spent ammo casings?
The list goes on and on and on!
I'm sure these people would watch phone footage of a CBD fireworks display and argue there was more than one show! ;D
Fair enough, I'll leave you to find answers to all of those questions of detail yourself as I am not qualified to offer them.
One thing that struck me about the video though is that the guy clearly put out his hypothesis and then tried to support it with analysis and math. He did not seem to be trying to hide anything imo. At least he's put it out there, up front, for anyone prepared to offer critique and it would be interesting to see what further expert analysis might make of it.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - flyboy77 - 10-11-2017
(10-11-2017, 03:12 AM)LP link Wrote:None Cookie.
You don't need science or math to debunk this sort of rubbish, you just have to ask basic questions that the wild theories won't cover;
Like how do you use a point source microphone to analyse sounds that echo between skyscrapers?
Why none of the ten of thousands of people there on the night have unambiguously reported a second shooter?
Why none of the hundreds of participating active law enforcement officers report or engaged a second shooter?
The complete absence of unambiguous physical evidence such as hundreds or even thousands of spent ammo casings?
The list goes on and on and on!
I'm sure these people would watch phone footage of a CBD fireworks display and argue there was more than one show! ;D
you're digging a big hole here LP.
Another head burier...
next.
i'll stick to the footy.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - Lods - 10-11-2017
The problem with this stuff is that the internet is so full of information that if someone puts up a theory then there is always an article you can find within seconds that discredits the author.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/03/11/mike-adams-a-k-a-the-health-ranger-a-health-seamster-profiled/
https://thinkprogress.org/meet-the-internet-entrepreneur-profiting-off-the-anti-vaxxer-movement-2e3ba8f791b9/
Makes it hard to give credence to anything on face value and time consuming to research it.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - flyboy77 - 10-11-2017
Again, playing the man not the ball Lods.
I expected better from you.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - cookie2 - 10-11-2017
(10-11-2017, 04:10 AM)Lods link Wrote:The problem with this stuff is that the internet is so full of information that if someone puts up a theory then there is always an article you can find within seconds that discredits the author.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/03/11/mike-adams-a-k-a-the-health-ranger-a-health-seamster-profiled/
https://thinkprogress.org/meet-the-internet-entrepreneur-profiting-off-the-anti-vaxxer-movement-2e3ba8f791b9/
Very true Lods. That's why I would like to see further bona fide expert analysis before we rush to any conclusions. Hopefully an official report will be released that scientifically clears all of this up - do you think?
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - Lods - 10-11-2017
(10-11-2017, 04:13 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Again, playing the man not the ball Lods.
I expected better from you.
No
Although I'm not strong on conspiracy stuff.
I've just added to the post...I'm buggered if I know where the truth lies.
By the same token you have to also consider there is a possibility this bloke might be a bit of a whacko rather than a guru...otherwise you're guilty of taking him as being right which is exactly the same issue as taking the official version on face value.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - cookie2 - 10-11-2017
(10-11-2017, 04:19 AM)Lods link Wrote:No
Although I'm not strong on conspiracy stuff.
I've just added to the post...I'm buggered if I know where the truth lies.
By the same token you have to also consider there is a possibility this bloke might be a bit of a whacko rather than a guru...otherwise you're guilty of taking him as being right which is exactly the same issue as taking the official version on face value.
And to illustrate your point Lods, Orac (aka Dr David H. Gorski) , whose blog you quoted, is accused by some as being a "vaccine industry front man". So yes, caution is required
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - Lods - 10-11-2017
(10-11-2017, 04:26 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:And to illustrate your point Lods, Orac (aka Dr David H. Gorski) , whose blog you quoted, is accused by some as being a "vaccine industry front man". So yes, caution is required
Exactly!
(although I'm a pro vaccinator so that makes him a good man in my eyes)
The problem is researching sources and counter sources for their credentials can take an age.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - LP - 10-11-2017
(10-11-2017, 04:13 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Again, playing the man not the ball Lods.
I expected better from you.
I know exactly why you post, I didn't answer your post to debate you, to save you or change your mind. I suspect it's too late for you!
But there are kids all over the place that finds these forums and read posts, even amongst our members there are parents like MBB who have kids that might well read the forums as youngsters in the years to come. So it seems right to post to try and prevent them from being indoctrinated by nutters and weirdos!
The posts like those you link to are not funny or entertaining, the conspiracies floated to draw in a just a few extra pennies from a website are neither innocent or benign, they are bait for those incapable or ill-equipped to rationally deal with these sorts of issues, and it can have very real life long consequences for some.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - cookie2 - 10-11-2017
(10-11-2017, 04:30 AM)Lods link Wrote:Exactly!
(although I'm a pro vaccinator so that makes him a good man in my eyes)
The problem is researching sources and counter sources for their credentials can take an age.
In principle and based on my now long ago scientific education, vaccination certainly seems to make a lot of sense in saving lives and preventing suffering. However, the vaccination industry, like many others these days, is very big business and, as we all know, the highest priority of big business is profit. For this reason alone, especially with stuff that's injected directly into human bodies, I have no problem with them being kept under close scrutiny.