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Re: Rd 22: Post Game Peace? Carlton vs Hawthorn - Woodstock - 08-21-2017
(08-21-2017, 05:04 AM)LP link Wrote:I was there as well, and remember the Dawks had the game in the bag because we were Fevola focused to try and get him to 100.
Gibbs, Judd and Murphy smashed them in the midfield hit up Fev repeat effort after effort. Clarkson put Croad, Roughead, Franklin, Hodge, Brown and Dew inside D50 late in the game when they were already 10 goals up. The Dawks were clear 2nd on the ladder with no hope of getting 1st or dropping to 3rd.
When I watched the replay the coverage showed Clarkson sitting in the box laughing at Fev's efforts as Franklin and Roughead kept dropping in front of him. In my opinion it was one of the most unsportsmanlike like efforts I have ever witnessed, probably only bettered by his hit on Aitken!
But what do people expect from someone who vandalizes property, abuses junior umpires and threatens people!
The irony of "The Dawks" labeling themselves as "The Family Club" is not lost on me!
Yes. I was there that day and that was the day I started hating another team. I'll never forget it. They wanted buddy to have the day to himself. Poor sportsmanship epitomised.
Re: Rd 22: Post Game Peace? Carlton vs Hawthorn - BluePhantom - 08-21-2017
(08-21-2017, 07:52 AM)Woodstock link Wrote:Yes. I was there that day and that was the day I started hating another team. I'll never forget it. They wanted buddy to have the day to himself. Poor sportsmanship epitomised.If i remember correctly they stopped Fev because they didn't want the crowd to come back onto the ground. Aholes the lot of them!
Re: Rd 22: Post Game Peace? Carlton vs Hawthorn - kruddler - 08-21-2017
(08-21-2017, 07:52 AM)Woodstock link Wrote:Yes. I was there that day and that was the day I started hating another team. I'll never forget it. They wanted buddy to have the day to himself. Poor sportsmanship epitomised.
I was there also. Behind the goals Fev was kicking at in the last.
I even remember Fev chatting away to the bloke kicking in from a behind.
Years later i heard Fev talk about the incident. I think he said it was Guerra, who he knew well. Fev said he was offering him $10k to get it straight to him from the kick in to help him get his 100. Guerra just laughed it off saying he couldn't do that.
Re: Rd 22: Post Game Peace? Carlton vs Hawthorn - DJC - 08-21-2017
(08-21-2017, 07:23 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Nathan Buckley, it worked well for him in the rematch.
On the weekend Mitchell scored 164 supercoach to Murphy's 93 because he wins the hard ball and his disposals have more impact.
I don't use supercoach points to work out how well a bloke is playing. My eyes tell me that Mitchell's disposal by foot is poor, particularly when trying to hit a target inside 50 (or kick for goal). They also tell me that Mitchell gets a lot of possessions from running behind the play, receiving handballs and increasing his stats by give and goes.
I don't know a lot about supercoach but do you actually get more points for winning hard balls and having more impact with your disposals. I thought it was more about rewarding blokes who maximise their disposals, like those who always play on when kicking in after a behind.
Re: Rd 22: Post Game Peace? Carlton vs Hawthorn - Baggers - 08-21-2017
Actually it's an interesting exercise. If they were both the same age, who would you go for (Murphy or Mitchell)? I'm way too biased to be objective... though I do think that Murphy hurts the opposition more with his possessions... especially forward of centre.
Re: Rd 22: Post Game Peace? Carlton vs Hawthorn - laj - 08-21-2017
(08-21-2017, 05:12 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Murphy isn't half the player Tom Mitchell is.
LOL!!!!!!!
Re: Rd 22: Post Game Peace? Carlton vs Hawthorn - madbluboy - 08-21-2017
Laugh all you like but clearly the coaches of all 18 clubs agree with me.
Coach's award:
Round 21 Leaderboard
104 Dustin Martin (Rich)
99 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
69 Tom Mitchell (Haw)
69 Rory Sloane (Adel)
67 Zach Merrett (Ess)
66 Clayton Oliver (Melb)
66 Dayne Zorko (BL)
65 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
65 Josh Kelly (GWS)
61 Gary Ablett (GC)
61 Joel Selwood (Geel)
Re: Rd 22: Post Game Peace? Carlton vs Hawthorn - kruddler - 08-21-2017
(08-21-2017, 09:55 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Laugh all you like but clearly the coaches of all 18 clubs agree with me.
Coach's award:
Round 21 Leaderboard
104 Dustin Martin (Rich)
99 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
69 Tom Mitchell (Haw)
69 Rory Sloane (Adel)
67 Zach Merrett (Ess)
66 Clayton Oliver (Melb)
66 Dayne Zorko (BL)
65 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
65 Josh Kelly (GWS)
61 Gary Ablett (GC)
61 Joel Selwood (Geel)
How many of these has Mitchell won?
Winners
2016 - Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong)
2015 - Daniel Hannebery (Sydney)
2014 - Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide)
2013 - Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood)
2012 - Trent Cotchin (Richmond)
2011 - Marc Murphy (Carlton)
2010 - Dane Swan (Collingwood)
2009 - Gary Ablett (Geelong)
2008 - Gary Ablett (Geelong)
2007 - Gary Ablett (Geelong)
2006 - Simon Goodwin (Adelaide) & Adam Goodes (Sydney)
2005 - Barry Hall (Sydney)
2004 - Warren Tredrea (Port Adelaide)
2003 - Nathan Buckley (Collingwood)
FWIW, Murphy has 55 votes for the season.
Murphy has votes in 14/21 games this season.
Mitchell has votes in 12/21 games.
Murphy had more total votes than Mitchell from R3-R14.
Some stats NOT from the coaches votes.
Murphy has more kicks, marks, goals, inside 50's and goal assists....and less clangers than Mitchell. And he has 4 less wins than Mitchell making it harder to get votes. (Not many players from losing teams get top votes), Murphy is averaging 30 touches a game.
Conversely, Mitchell has more handballs, disposals, rebound 50's, clearances and tackles. Mitchell is averaging 36 a game.
To me, that suggests Murphy is getting more of the ball forward of centre and Mitchell is getting more of the ball in the back half, including a lot more 1-2 handballs. Murphy also has a slightly better Disposal Efficiency despite Mitchell preferring to handball first, kick second.
Half the player?
Re: Rd 22: Post Game Peace? Carlton vs Hawthorn - madbluboy - 08-21-2017
Murphy was a gun 6 years ago alongside a prime Judd.
In 2017 Mitchell is by far the better player.
Re: Rd 22: Post Game Peace? Carlton vs Hawthorn - kruddler - 08-21-2017
(08-21-2017, 11:10 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Murphy was a gun 6 years ago alongside a prime Judd.
In 2017 Mitchell is by far the better player.
But the coaches had voted him in the best more times than Mitchell has?