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Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - Lods - 07-10-2017
(07-10-2017, 01:32 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?
We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.
The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.
The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.
The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.
Why are we still crap?
Because they're still kids
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - flyboy77 - 07-10-2017
(07-10-2017, 01:32 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?
We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.
The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.
The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.
The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.
Why are we still crap?
Ball use.
And let's be honest ome or both of Murphy and Gibbs go missing far more than they turn up.... and our midfield depth remains ordinary.....
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - BluePhantom - 07-10-2017
(07-10-2017, 01:32 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?Malcom Blight said all you have to do is kick more goals than the opposition and you win.
We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.
The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.
The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.
The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.
Why are we still crap?
Pretty simple, unfortunately we struggle in that department.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - shawny - 07-10-2017
(07-10-2017, 01:32 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?
We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.
The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.
The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.
The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.
Why are we still crap?
Plus add in probably the best defensive structure in the comp and a respected coaching team, its now clear we are very close to being a force if we can fill a few important gaps.
Amazing transformation considering we are not even 2 years into what most thought (including me) would be at least 4 years of pain.
What we are witnessing with our kids development is what I was praying we would see end of next year but most likely in 2019. Charlie, SOJ, Marchbank and Williamson in particular are playing like they are 60 - 80 game footballers not first and second year players.
Thought the marque player talk was premature for this trade period but not anymore. I would go hard after Kelly and Hopper considering where I think we are now at. We cant miss the boat on Kelly as I haven't heard many A grade mids that will be available the following trade period so hopefully we pounce.
Nab 2 strong trades, manage to keep Gibbs, get another season into Cunningham, Fisher, SPS, McCreadie and hopefully McKay gets going and watch out.
I'm rapt with our clubs direction and progress and reckon someone like Kelly would see what we are all seeing which puts us in a much stronger position.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - PaulP - 07-10-2017
We sit 9th for points conceded - how exactly is this the best defensive structure in the comp ?
Bolton may yet turn out to be the best AFL coach ever, but if nothing else, at this point in time, he's a master of spin.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - LoveNavy - 07-10-2017
Kreuz and Murphy named in team of the week R16.
Congratulations ;D
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - PaulP - 07-11-2017
(07-10-2017, 01:32 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?
We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.
The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.
The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.
The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.
Why are we still crap?
1. No Ratts and no Judd for starters, plus many of the supporting cast all gone.
2. A forward line that can't score
3. A midfield that provides limited supply to our forwards
4. Game plan focused on defense
5. A lot of youth
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - madbluboy - 07-11-2017
Either our senior players are overrated, our kids are overrated or both are.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - kruddler - 07-11-2017
(07-10-2017, 01:32 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?
We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.
The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.
The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.
The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.
Why are we still crap?
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
FWIW, for the season thus far we have 695 inside 50's. Only Brisbane (694) is worse.
Yet, they average almost 3 more scoring shots a game compared to us.
So is it their mids delivering the ball to their forwards better?
Or it their forwards making better use of the delivery?
Looking at marks inside 50 actually shows that we average almost 3 more marks inside 50 a game compared to the lions.
So our forwards are marking the ball 3 times more a match inside 50, but overall we are having 3 shots less a game at goal?
Does that sound like a midfield problem or a forwardline problem?
FYI, our overall disposal efficiency is higher than the lions, despite us being last in handballs (an easier skill to execute).
Our goal accuracy is worse though, not surprisingly. But that doesn't account for the lack of scoring shots by comparison.
In short...
We are getting the ball inside 50 the same amount as the lions.
We are using the ball better with a higher disposal efficiency than the lions.
We are marking it inside 50 more than the lions.
We are kicking at goal worse than the lions.
We are having less scoring shots a game than the lions.
Why am i using the lions? Because they are on a par with us for inside 50's so it makes all the other stats comparing apples with apples. Also in a similar position ladder wise.
Remind me again of where some people think the problem is?
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - kruddler - 07-11-2017
(07-10-2017, 01:10 PM)jeza link Wrote:"See this is what I don't get"... is a logical argument that is based on fact but doesn't fit your bias against one of our players. Tigers supporters eat their own at the drop of a hat - you should switch. Seriously switch.Saints supporters celebrate mediocrity. Go support them.