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Re: 2017 Rnd 1: Carlton vs Richmond - Pre-Game - Vivian - 03-22-2017
(03-22-2017, 08:58 AM)Raydan link Wrote:Please tell me how playing Thomas or Lamb over Cunningham will get us the win? If either gets over 15 possessions I'd be amazed.
JLT, Cunningham took the most aggressive run of the whole team. He needs game time and neither Thomas or Lamb has a future with us.
They dont have much of a future, but team balance is essential and more so in the context of a long season. Those left out will get their chances, and those that perform will get the opportunity to play week in, week out.
Building a strong list is the goal for this and the next season/s. This is just one game of many.
Nevertheless, go blues!
Re: 2017 Rnd 1: Carlton vs Richmond - Pre-Game - Gointocarlton - 03-22-2017
Well feck it, I'll back that side in then. Rnd 1 is a hard one and more than ever, it's really only those in the inner sanctum knowing why player x was picked and player y wasn't. JLT is so Micky Mouse that you cant rely on it as a form guide. There's no form from the 2's like later rounds, its all based on work done during the PS and all the special little things that are done that the general public don't see or know about. For example:
- SPS selection - Not a game played, not a blow struck as far as the public knows. Bang, selected round 1. He must be so special that he may well be an auto selection every week. Has speed, skill and makes good, fast decisions. Things lacking in a lot of our blokes.
- Daisy - Would I have picked him? No. Would many others here have picked him? Mostly not. But there must be something that they need him to do hence his selection. Plus there is the balance btw youth and experience that must be maintained.
- White - Turnover and mistake merchant. But he can do roles when required and is quite disciplined at them. He will probably go to Dusty at some stage and try and unsettle him with a bit of old fashioned niggle.
So in the end, I have one thing to say.
Go Blues.
Re: 2017 Rnd 1: Carlton vs Richmond - Pre-Game - Raydan - 03-22-2017
(03-22-2017, 09:02 AM)Vivian link Wrote:They dont have much of a future, but team balance is essential and more so in the context of a long season. Those left out will get their chances, and those that perform will get the opportunity to play week in, week out.
Building a strong list is the goal for this and the next season/s. This is just one game of many.
Nevertheless, go blues!
Again explain to me how swapping a decrepit player like Thomas for Cunningham upsets the balance. Do we really need to carry two below average players neither of whom made our top 10 B&F when we have a future 200 gamer needing experience. Let him run out in front of 70,000, where they say a playing in front of a big crowd is worth 2 games of experience.
Re: 2017 Rnd 1: Carlton vs Richmond - Pre-Game - LP - 03-22-2017
(03-22-2017, 08:58 AM)Raydan link Wrote:Please tell me how playing Thomas or Lamb over Cunningham will get us the win? If either gets over 15 possessions I'd be amazed.
JLT, Cunningham took the most aggressive run of the whole team. He needs game time and neither Thomas or Lamb has a future with us.
You might not have a match winner with Daisy, but you won't win a game with an unbalanced list and it's as simple as that. Our club obviously thinks it has a better than 50/50 chance to win this one.
This is AFL not TAC Cup, clubs cannot player half a team of kids, Cripps said as much discussing the pre-season games.
If Cuningham or Fisher come in, one of those other four would have to go out.
Re: 2017 Rnd 1: Carlton vs Richmond - Pre-Game - LP - 03-22-2017
(03-22-2017, 09:09 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Well feck it, I'll back that side in then. Rnd 1 is a hard one and more than ever, it's really only those in the inner sanctum knowing why player x was picked and player y wasn't. JLT is so Micky Mouse that you cant rely on it as a form guide. There's no form from the 2's like later rounds, its all based on work done during the PS and all the special little things that are done that the general public don't see or know about. For example:
- SPS selection - Not a game played, not a blow struck as far as the public knows. Bang, selected round 1. He must be so special that he may well be an auto selection every week. Has speed, skill and makes goog, fast decisions. Things lacking in a lot of our blokes.
- Daisy - Would I have picked him? No. Would many others here have picked him? Mostly not. But there must be something that they need him to do hence his selection. Plus there is the balance btw youth and experience that must be maintained.
- White - Turnover and mistake merchant. But he can do roles when required and is quite disciplined at them. He will probably go to Dusty at some stage and try and unsettle him with a bit of old fashioned niggle.
So in the end, I have one thing to say.
Go Blues.
Very sensible appraisal GTC, I share your confidence.
Re: 2017 Rnd 1: Carlton vs Richmond - Pre-Game - Gointocarlton - 03-22-2017
Some stats for the Rnd 1 Team:
Average Age: 25.2 years
Average No. of Games: 85.5
Re: 2017 Rnd 1: Carlton vs Richmond - Pre-Game - Gointocarlton - 03-22-2017
(03-22-2017, 09:11 AM)Raydan link Wrote:Again explain to me how swapping a decrepit player like Thomas for Cunningham upsets the balance. Do we really need to carry two below average players neither of whom made our top 10 B&F when we have a future 200 gamer needing experience. Let him run out in front of 70,000, where they say a playing in front of a big crowd is worth 2 games of experience.He may have a niggle, he may be crook, we dont know. He has time on his side, patience Grasshopper.
Re: 2017 Rnd 1: Carlton vs Richmond - Pre-Game - Vivian - 03-22-2017
(03-22-2017, 09:11 AM)Raydan link Wrote:Again explain to me how swapping a decrepit player like Thomas for Cunningham upsets the balance. Do we really need to carry two below average players neither of whom made our top 10 B&F when we have a future 200 gamer needing experience. Let him run out in front of 70,000, where they say a playing in front of a big crowd is worth 2 games of experience.
Cunningham will get plenty of chances. We have a young side already, and just like retaining gibbs, playing thomas gets some experience in the side. He is our only player with a premiership medel. Without wishing to turn this into a thomas discussion (we have a long thread for that!) he adds experience and i would think some leadership to the backline.
Playing the kids is fine when they can play alongside some experienced hands, even if they have limited futures. This is why we recruited the likes of palmer and alex sivagni. Neither of them are going to set the team alight, but they might speed up the development of the young players by adding experience here and there. Otherwise we are back to where we were when murphy and gibbs were belted up in their first seasons with the likes of whitnall and stevens to lead them. :
Re: 2017 Rnd 1: Carlton vs Richmond - Pre-Game - Raydan - 03-22-2017
(03-22-2017, 09:13 AM)LP link Wrote:You might not have a match winner with Daisy, but you won't win a game with an unbalanced list and it's as simple as that. Our club obviously thinks it has a better than 50/50 chance to win this one.
This is AFL not TAC Cup, clubs cannot player half a team of kids, Cripps said as much discussing the pre-season games.
If Cuningham or Fisher come in, one of those other four would have to go out.
Yet again.... replacing Thomas with Cunningham would not unbalance the list. Both would have a similar impact, I'd wager that Cunningham will run faster after an opponent and be able to kick and keep it in bounds.
Cunningham has a decent sized body and is capable of competing. I never spoke of Fisher, while I like the kids endeavour, he is truly undersized. As the team is listed Docherty will not line up on the wing nor will Thomas at half back. Cunningham could play on the wing, Daisy will be sitting in the forward pocket, as he is a liability further up the field. So with that in mind Cunningham's inclusion would give us more flexibility, but if we need two duds to play to give us "balance" as I've been informed twice, then there is no way we are serious about developing youth.
They is very little chance we will win this game, we will finish bottom four, probably bottom 2 and that's fine if we see a Cunningham type taking the game on and stuffing up, rather than Daisy get the ball and kick it out on the full, we've seen that or Lamb look too scared to put his head over the ball then push someone like a tough man.
Re: 2017 Rnd 1: Carlton vs Richmond - Pre-Game - LP - 03-22-2017
(03-22-2017, 09:11 AM)Raydan link Wrote:Again explain to me how swapping a decrepit player like Thomas for Cunningham upsets the balance. Do we really need to carry two below average players neither of whom made our top 10 B&F when we have a future 200 gamer needing experience. Let him run out in front of 70,000, where they say a playing in front of a big crowd is worth 2 games of experience.
You've missed the point completely, those first gamers in front of 70000 will be like Neo first time in The Matrix, distracted by the woman in red, hyperventilating and oblivious as the evil agents have their way!
Thomas, White, Armfield, like them of hate them, they've been there and done that. What they lack in one area their experience more than covers. I made the analogy between McLean and Thomas once before, McLean was even slower than Thomas but just seemed to find himself in space at the right moment. Not by accident, but because experience helped him know where to be and when. Doing the smart stuff and managing themselves through a game like beginners cannot. It's an aspect of playing AFL a lot of the kids just don't have, and it has nothing to do with ability or fitness. They'll get plenty of opportunity to gain experience, but not all at once and not in the majority.
When those younguns get hyped in the first 5 mins they'll most likely be blown up by halftime, you just cannot carry more than 3 or 4 first gamers for that reason alone.