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Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs Box Hill at Box Hill - DJC - 06-14-2016
(06-14-2016, 08:21 AM)pinot link Wrote:I love the bloke and should stay on the list but if I had to select Army out of Jack or Curnow at high half forward I will go for the youngsters,
They're not really competing for the same position. Armfield is a defensive forward who has managed to hit the scoreboard in recent games. Charlie Curnow is a marking forward and SOJ, while a decent size, tends to get the pill by good positioning and getting into space. Neither of them have Armfield's speed.
Charlie would seem to be competing with Everitt, Walker and perhaps White. SOJ plays more like Sumner, Lamb or Walker at a pinch. Perhaps the closest player we've had to SOJ would be Menzel when he had a crack.
Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs Box Hill at Box Hill - RiverRat - 06-15-2016
(06-14-2016, 05:26 AM)DJC link Wrote:I don't think many of those advocating for SOJ and Jaksch have seen them live.
I would be interested to know which advocators had seen them live.
Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs Box Hill at Box Hill - kruddler - 06-15-2016
(06-14-2016, 10:13 AM)DJC link Wrote:They're not really competing for the same position. Armfield is a defensive forward who has managed to hit the scoreboard in recent games. Charlie Curnow is a marking forward and SOJ, while a decent size, tends to get the pill by good positioning and getting into space. Neither of them have Armfield's speed.
Charlie would seem to be competing with Everitt, Walker and perhaps White. SOJ plays more like Sumner, Lamb or Walker at a pinch. Perhaps the closest player we've had to SOJ would be Menzel when he had a crack.
Either this year or next (or whenever) Charlie and Jack will be replacing Everitt and Walker.
Those advocating Jack are mostly doing so because...
a) They see stats/goals from the NB games
b) They see the 'performance' (or lack thereof) of Walker/Everitt on a weekly basis.
Based on that its a case of, "surely he couldn't be any worse than..."
Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs Box Hill at Box Hill - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-15-2016
(06-15-2016, 08:30 AM)RiverRat link Wrote:I would be interested to know which advocators had seen them live.
I have seen Jaksch a few times live and reckon he is worthy of senior footy...only seen SOSOS once in the VFL and twice at U18 level But am not an advocate of promoting him yet..
KJ has ability and while operating off a straight line only has a been a problem in the NB's you only have to look at Gorringe to see what some senior games can do for you.
We are in a development/experimental phase and I'd be playing KJ, DVR, Buckley,promote Gowers and JessieMac etc and getting a handle on where they are at.....results dont mean much.
The only result that matters is finding out who can play seniors for the future and disposing of those who cant...NB's form doesnt always show a player worth either.
Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs Box Hill at Box Hill - cookie2 - 06-15-2016
If we already know that certain players e.g. Jack S. are going to be around next year then there is no point rushing them into the seniors this year.
Where we are looking to make a decision on them this year then they may be given a game or two so that the decision can be made. I don't know whether Jaksch would fit into this category. The following
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/midseason-report-carlton-become-overachievers-20160615-gpjd7v.html
is an interesting article and it says that with BB's approach players who for instance can't hit targets will not be kept on, papers likely stamped, and that Dylan Buckley is a possible example in this category. Others struggling for a senior game for whatever reasons who are also possibly under the pump include Clem Smith, KJ, Liam Jones.
Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs Box Hill at Box Hill - DJC - 06-15-2016
(06-15-2016, 08:52 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Either this year or next (or whenever) Charlie and Jack will be replacing Everitt and Walker.
Those advocating Jack are mostly doing so because...
a) They see stats/goals from the NB games
b) They see the 'performance' (or lack thereof) of Walker/Everitt on a weekly basis.
Based on that its a case of, "surely he couldn't be any worse than..."
Probably Kruddler but, at present, SOJ is playing more like a small forward. Someone in another thread compared SOJ to Gunston and that couldn't be further from the mark. If I had to compare him with a Hawthorn player, someone like Puopolo would be close - and I mean that as a good thing!
I expect that SOJ will "play taller" as he develops strength, match fitness and confidence. I don't think he will ever have the ability to cover the ground like Everitt and Walker.
Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs Box Hill at Box Hill - Thryleon - 06-15-2016
(06-15-2016, 11:13 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:If we already know that certain players e.g. Jack S. are going to be around next year then there is no point rushing them into the seniors this year.
Where we are looking to make a decision on them this year then they may be given a game or two so that the decision can be made. I don't know whether Jaksch would fit into this category. The following
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/midseason-report-carlton-become-overachievers-20160615-gpjd7v.html
is an interesting article and it says that with BB's approach players who for instance can't hit targets will not be kept on, papers likely stamped, and that Dylan Buckley is a possible example in this category. Others struggling for a senior game for whatever reasons who are also possibly under the pump include Clem Smith, KJ, Liam Jones.
That also assumes they know what Bolton is thinking and what deals SOS will get done.
IMHO no one has papers stamped and given where we are at not getting a game has more to do with development of knowledge and skills whilst getting a game means there is no more for you to learn or that you can learn in the ones without hurting the team.
Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs Box Hill at Box Hill - DJC - 06-15-2016
(06-15-2016, 12:21 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:That also assumes they know what Bolton is thinking and what deals SOS will get done.
IMHO no one has papers stamped and given where we are at not getting a game has more to do with development of knowledge and skills whilst getting a game means there is no more for you to learn or that you can learn in the ones without hurting the team.
I think that's right Thry.
There is a lot of effort being put into the blokes in the NBs so that they can fit straight in to the senior team.
It seems to me that a standard has been set and players have to be operating at that standard to be considered for selection. I reckon we have quite a few players who are at or are very close to that standard; Jones (never thought that would happen), Jaksch, Gowers, Glass-McCasker, Buckley, and Phillips. SOJ isn't far off and it would nice to think that Charlie Curnow and McKay can get there before the end of the season.
Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs Box Hill at Box Hill - MilkIt - 06-15-2016
I'm confused. Is "SOJ" Jack or Dylan? ???
Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs Box Hill at Box Hill - DJC - 06-15-2016
(06-15-2016, 03:58 PM)MilkIt link Wrote:I'm confused. Is "SOJ" Jack or Dylan? ???
Jack is called SOJ - son of Jo - by his team mates. It would have been too easy for them to use SOS. I reckon it's due recognition of Jo
