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Re: Rd 10: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs Geelong - DJC - 05-27-2016
(05-27-2016, 12:19 PM)kruddler link Wrote:I don't care if their name is Chris Judd, if you are not doing the team things like at the very least chasing your opponent, then your spot in the side needs looking at. Everitt, despite kicking goals, has looked as disinterested as chasing his opponent as anyone has since 'bad fev' was around.
Against North....
Walker - 8 disposals @ 50%. 2 tackles and 1 goal
Everitt - 10 dispoals @ 80%. 1 tackle and 0 goals
Jones - 12 disposals @ 83%. 2 tackles and 2 goals 1.
Everitt and Walker are the whipping boys because Jones was omitted in front of them despite giving more yet all playing a somewhat similar role up forward.
In fact, Everitt and Walker had very different roles to Jones.
Jones is a key forward with the task of taking marks or, failing that, bringing the ball to ground. He took one mark against the Roos. Walker played as a lead up forward and took six marks. Everitt played more as a swing man and got most of his possessions up the ground. None of them are setting the world on fire but, if Casboult plays, it makes more sense to leave Jones out.
If it was up to me, I would have Jaksch in for Everitt, but I'm not privy to the coach's instructions to Everitt.
Re: Rd 10: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs Geelong - laj - 05-27-2016
(05-27-2016, 12:19 PM)kruddler link Wrote:I don't care if their name is Chris Judd, if you are not doing the team things like at the very least chasing your opponent, then your spot in the side needs looking at. Everitt, despite kicking goals, has looked as disinterested as chasing his opponent as anyone has since 'bad fev' was around.
Against North....
Walker - 8 disposals @ 50%. 2 tackles and 1 goal
Everitt - 10 dispoals @ 80%. 1 tackle and 0 goals
Jones - 12 disposals @ 83%. 2 tackles and 2 goals 1.
Everitt and Walker are the whipping boys because Jones was omitted in front of them despite giving more yet all playing a somewhat similar role up forward.
Previous 2 weeks 5 goals though on top of 31 goals last year. Coaches talk alot about team things but they're never in a hurry to drop anyone that still plays some decent footy hits the scoreboard, especially in a side that struggles to score. They all like to win. Nature of the beast.
You might not actually be wrong but that's the way of the way of the footy world. As Baggers said, if he was a defender doing what he does he'd be out of the side and not getting back in a hurry at all until he picks up.
Re: Rd 10: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs Geelong - cookie2 - 05-27-2016
What this tells me is that Jones has been earmarked as a stop gap or depth player who will only be selected when there are no other options available. He is obviously not impressing the MC enough for them to persevere with him and he will likely be gone as soon as the opportunity is right.
Re: Rd 10: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs Geelong - LordLucifer - 05-27-2016
(05-27-2016, 01:26 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:What this tells me is that Jones has been earmarked as a stop gap or depth player who will only be selected when there are no other options available. He is obviously not impressing the MC enough for them to persevere with him and he will likely be gone as soon as the opportunity is right.
Excellent point.
Re: Rd 10: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs Geelong - cookie2 - 05-27-2016
(05-27-2016, 10:13 AM)laj link Wrote:I'm think Indigenous Round saved Walker, although that shouldn't be a reason as he's playing crapful.
Thinking Jones is out for "balance" as I think Rowe is going to back Kreuzer up in the ruck, hence play forward, while Casboult looks after his leg and simply plays forward.
Everitt, for all his frustrating faults, keeps scoring, as he did last year. Guessing he'll need a few more games like last week before they drop him as his ability to consistently hit the scoreboard better than others keeps him in i'd say. Something we struggle with. He'll be overtaken eventually.
Fair chance Casboult doesn't playing meaning Jaksch may come in.
Jones is also Indigenous isn't he? Didn't help him much.
Re: Rd 10: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs Geelong - DJC - 05-27-2016
(05-27-2016, 01:51 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:Jones is also Indigenous isn't he? Didn't help him much.
That's right Cookie; there's no sentiment in footy. If you're not considered to be in the best 22, being Indigenous, one off a landmark game or the son of a former player won't get you a game.
Re: Rd 10: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs Geelong - BlueAvenger - 05-27-2016
Geez, Kreuze and Cas in is a scary proposition. I seriously don't see the point in risking either of them this week. It's not like it's the be all and end all if we lose to Geelong, which is the more likely outcome.
I really hope for 1AW's and Everitt's sake they extract their digits.
I'm quite surprised Jones got the @r$e, i reckon we would be much harder to match up on with another genuine marking target in the F50, but what would i know. Being a confidence player and all this shouldn't set him back one bit :
Really want to win against these turd$, instill some belief that we can match it with them at the very least.
The more we win, the more attractive we will appear to players wanting to change clubs.
Re: Rd 10: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs Geelong - Thryleon - 05-27-2016
The only thing not being considered is who we are playing against.
Re: Rd 10: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs Geelong - pinot - 05-27-2016
(05-27-2016, 01:26 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:What this tells me is that Jones has been earmarked as a stop gap or depth player who will only be selected when there are no other options available. He is obviously not impressing the MC enough for them to persevere with him and he will likely be gone as soon as the opportunity is right.
I think getting at least 10 games into Curnow, McKay and Silvagni this year in NB or firsts will be priority to build that side of first team depth and some salary cap space to go with it.
McKay should return late June so should get solid three months of football under his belt heading into pre season.
Re: Rd 10: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs Geelong - kruddler - 05-27-2016
(05-27-2016, 12:41 PM)DJC link Wrote:In fact, Everitt and Walker had very different roles to Jones.
Jones is a key forward with the task of taking marks or, failing that, bringing the ball to ground. He took one mark against the Roos. Walker played as a lead up forward and took six marks. Everitt played more as a swing man and got most of his possessions up the ground. None of them are setting the world on fire but, if Casboult plays, it makes more sense to leave Jones out.
If it was up to me, I would have Jaksch in for Everitt, but I'm not privy to the coach's instructions to Everitt.
All played forward.
All supposed to kick goals.
Yes, one is a hit up forward.
Yes, one is a key forward
Yes, one is a bit of both with the old 'utility' thrown in for good measure.
End result is, 2 blokes are not trying hard enough, the other bloke is AND is kicking goals. He kicked 2 of our 6 last week.
I'm not a big Jones fan, and am more of a Walker/Everitt fan. However, this is not (or at least SHOULD NOT) be about playing favourites. It should be about rewarding effort. That is my issue. Jones is putting in more effort than the other 2.....as well as getting more output.
How do you motivate 2's players to put in?
You show them that those who do get rewarded with a spot in the 1's.
You show them that those who don't are stuck playing 2's.
The MC is not doing that at present.