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Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - laj - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 12:27 PM)Woodstock link Wrote:So, I heard there's an election happening???
Can we please get back onto topic and focus on how Bernie can beat "her" and go on to become President? Excellent, thanks.
He won't. Reckon Hilary's in the White House now. She easily win the Democrat nomination and in the end I don't see any way known the Americans will vote Trump in even if he wins the Republican nomination.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Thryleon - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 12:42 PM)Juddkreuzer link Wrote:Yeah probably the most off topic thread I can remember that wasn't moved into a more relevant thread.
Back on track....
The Pope rocks!!!! >
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/world/americas/pope-francis-donald-trump-christian.html?_r=0
It's most probably because no one really cares about an election that is more theatre than democracy.
I just come to read the comments as I like the American voters have nothing of value to add to this discussion.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 09:30 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:It's most probably because no one really cares about an election that is more theatre than democracy.
I just come to read the comments as I like the American voters have nothing of value to add to this discussion.
Yet at the end of the year one of these folk will be arguably be in an extremely powerful position.
We should care because some of the extreme ideas and the basis of their thinking will largely determine our history (or lack of it
) going forward.A confrontational President prepared to take it up to say a Putin, or to aggressively test Chinese territorial claims could have serious implications for the way we live.
An isolationist president could have an equal impact.
So where are we up to?
One by one the still large Republican field will drop off.
Pretty much those republicans supporting Trump would be locked in.
What happens with the support of the ''dropouts'' will determine the Republican nominee.
Someone like Jeb Bush whose campaign seems to be faltering may actually surge if he can hang on a bit longer and pick up the support of the dropouts.
I still doubt it will be Trump...Rubio was looking good but he hurt himself with a poor debate before New Hampshire
Cruz looks the most likely at the moment to challenge Trump but Kasich, Rubio and Bush are splitting alternative votes that if combined behind one candidate would be significant.
Hillary is floundering...Sanders has her on the ropes...but the Democrat machine will ensure she gets the nomination.
The thing is that she has a lot of baggage accumulated over the years on which to attack her.
The race is a long way from over....and there's no certainty which party will have the White House when it's finished.
(Just keep an eye out for Joe Biden if things turn really sour for Clinton)
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 02-19-2016
Remember that the GOP may face a brokered convention: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/contested-republican-national-convention-work/story?id=37003821.
As that article notes, if no candidate wins a majority of delegates and the 1st vote at the Republican Convention goes according to the commitments of those delegates, all the delegates will be released from their commitments and they can vote for whomever they want. There's a restriction currently that they can only vote for a candidate who has won 8 primaries, but the GOP can play around with that.
This article suggests Trump would be smoked in a brokered convention: http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2016/02/donald_trump_might_get_smoked.html.
The problem for the GOP is that snubbing Trump if he goes into the convention as the leader would almost certainly see him run as an independent Presidential candidate. That would almost certainly split the conservative vote and hand the election to the Democratic candidate. Yes, he signed a pledge that he'd support the GOP nominee, but he then stated that this would only be if he was treated fairly. He then said at one of the debates that he'd back the nominee no matter what, but we all know he'll walk away from that commitment if it suits him.
I wonder whether the GOP is all that unhappy about the logjam of candidates. On the one hand, it does split the establishment vote 4 ways at the moment, but it also helps to stop Trump from winning a majority of delegates thereby preserving the party's power over the convention. If the field thins down to Trump and Cruz, perhaps Trump can win a majority.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Thryleon - 02-20-2016
(02-19-2016, 10:04 PM)Lods link Wrote:Yet at the end of the year one of these folk will be arguably be in an extremely powerful position.
We should care because some of the extreme ideas and the basis of their thinking will largely determine our history (or lack of it
A confrontational President prepared to take it up to say a Putin, or to aggressively test Chinese territorial claims could have serious implications for the way we live.
An isolationist president could have an equal impact.
So where are we up to?
One by one the still large Republican field will drop off.
Pretty much those republicans supporting Trump would be locked in.
What happens with the support of the ''dropouts'' will determine the Republican nominee.
Someone like Jeb Bush whose campaign seems to be faltering may actually surge if he can hang on a bit longer and pick up the support of the dropouts.
I still doubt it will be Trump...Rubio was looking good but he hurt himself with a poor debate before New Hampshire
Cruz looks the most likely at the moment to challenge Trump but Kasich, Rubio and Bush are splitting alternative votes that if combined behind one candidate would be significant.
Hillary is floundering...Sanders has her on the ropes...but the Democrat machine will ensure she gets the nomination.
The thing is that she has a lot of baggage accumulated over the years on which to attack her.
The race is a long way from over....and there's no certainty which party will have the White House when it's finished.
(Just keep an eye out for Joe Biden if things turn really sour for Clinton)
Sorry lods, I don't care because even if I did it wouldn't make a difference (or couldn't).
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - ElwoodBlues1 - 02-21-2016
(02-19-2016, 08:07 PM)laj link Wrote:He won't. Reckon Hilary's in the White House now. She easily win the Democrat nomination and in the end I don't see any way known the Americans will vote Trump in even if he wins the Republican nomination.
Hilary is my favourite to win but i reckon she wont want Trump getting through as her opponent...bit of X factor about Trump being such a crazy man and sometimes desperate people turn to someone who is promising miracles and a better life even though they know it has no basis.
My son and his girlfriend are in the USA on holiday and have been shocked at the support Trump has from the ordinary man in the street, I hope Hilary's supporters all rock up to vote and dont get complacent..
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - madbluboy - 02-21-2016
If it's Hilary up against Trump she will get smoked. Sanders is the democrats best bet.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - LP - 02-24-2016
I watched a clip on News 24 tonight exit polling Trump boosters as they left his latest folly.
A woman approached made this statement;
"We need a person like Trump, I'm sick of the world looking at America like it's a joke!"
Really!!!! :o
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 02-24-2016
Trump reminds me of that other sabre-rattling presidential candidate from the 60s, Barry Goldwater. He was a successful businessman who managed to win the Republican nomination by being very jingoistic, outspoken and with a lot of confrontational talk directed at the USSR, the evil empire of the time. He had a lot of people worried as to what he might do as president.
Anyway, he was comprehensively rolled in the election by LBJ. Hopefully Trump is just as successful as Goldwater was.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - thrunthrublu - 02-24-2016
in the end, you get the president you deserve