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Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon - cimm1979 - 04-15-2015
(04-15-2015, 12:11 AM)Professer E link Wrote: I just want a fair dinkum, honest 4 quarter effort.
Freo v Eagles is on Sunday.
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon - DJC - 04-15-2015
(04-14-2015, 11:49 AM)deags link Wrote: Shoulder surgery is very hit and miss.
As part of my med student training I spent 3 months working in Beijing at a top orthopaedic hospital there.
One of the surgeons had recently returned from the US after doing 2 years of training, specifically in shoulder repairs. One day I was asking hime about it and asked him what was the main thing he learned, he laughed and said "don't have shoulder surgery, it doesn't work". Obviously he was being overdramatic for comedy sake, but the results are not great.
I'm not sure if Thomas had had shoulder problems in the past, but I wouldn't advocate surgical management for a shoulder after the first dislocation unless there was some serious strucural damage involved.
A conservative approach is fine for most folk but probably not an AFL footballer in their prime.
I listened to Doc Larkin's assessment and he was gobsmacked by the description of the injury - a subluxation when it was clearly a major dislocation with serious damage - and the proposed treatment. He was concerned that not operating would mean that Thomas would be highly likely to have more problems.
Sholders are or have been an issue with a few of our blokes; Judd, Jamison, Walker, Murphy, Gibbs, etc, not to mention Ablett.
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon - Brettie - 04-15-2015
(04-14-2015, 11:12 PM)ItsOurTime link Wrote: We've been bashed around the head pretty badly already this week. We're going to need a spirited performance, a limp effort and it is going to be complete mayhem.
I remember when we got smashed by Essendon early last year with possibly one of the most limp-wristed performances I'd ever seen from a Carlton team. We got justifiably barrelled in the media all the next week, for the team to be preaching about making things right the following weekend.....which ended with an even more limp-wristed performance against Melbourne. Yep, this mob is known for turning things around....lazy, spineless fecks they are.
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon - Thryleon - 04-15-2015
(04-15-2015, 12:27 AM)DJC link Wrote: A conservative approach is fine for most folk but probably not an AFL footballer in their prime.
I listened to Doc Larkin's assessment and he was gobsmacked by the description of the injury - a subluxation when it was clearly a major dislocation with serious damage - and the proposed treatment. He was concerned that not operating would mean that Thomas would be highly likely to have more problems.
Sholders are or have been an issue with a few of our blokes; Judd, Jamison, Walker, Murphy, Gibbs, etc, not to mention Ablett.
As someone who has suffered a sublux injury, I have never had an operation, and my shoulders have never been the same, however I have also sought the advice from an Orthopaedic surgeion and he adivsed that they would unlikely be rectified by surgery and that often intensive Physio therapy is a better outcome unless it becomes a serial problem.
Think back to Andrew Walker. He had recurring issues with his until he had an operation but he also has issues over head these days.
Realistically, surgery isnt a great outcome for any injury, its better used as a worst case scenario.
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon - shadesy - 04-15-2015
(04-15-2015, 12:40 AM)Brettie link Wrote: I remember when we got smashed by Essendon early last year with possibly one of the most limp-wristed performances I'd ever seen from a Carlton team. We got justifiably barrelled in the media all the next week, for the team to be preaching about making things right the following weekend.....which ended with an even more limp-wristed performance against Melbourne. Yep, this mob is known for turning things....lazy, spineless fecks they are.
The players are behind Malthouse... Well they need to show it.
Malthouse is behind the players... We will see at selection, he needs to show it in press conferences as well.
Murphy says the leaders need to stand up... He needs to show it
If they are truly united, hurting and behind the coach, another performance like the first two will spell the end for the coach and several players.
We wont win, but we should be able to be super competitive against this "brave" side.
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon - LP - 04-15-2015
(04-14-2015, 11:49 AM)deags link Wrote: Shoulder surgery is very hit and miss.
As part of my med student training I spent 3 months working in Beijing at a top orthopaedic hospital there.
One of the surgeons had recently returned from the US after doing 2 years of training, specifically in shoulder repairs. One day I was asking hime about it and asked him what was the main thing he learned, he laughed and said "don't have shoulder surgery, it doesn't work". Obviously he was being overdramatic for comedy sake, but the results are not great.
I'm not sure if Thomas had had shoulder problems in the past, but I wouldn't advocate surgical management for a shoulder after the first dislocation unless there was some serious strucural damage involved.
I know several people who've had shoulder surgery for issues ranging fro minor wear to complete frozen shoulders, mostly coming from rowing, cricket or football injuries. All of them tell me they would not have done it if they had known the sort of issues that would develop. Problems included further frozen shoulders, nerve damage, withered muscles, loss of sensations, loss of strength, feelings of instability, arthritis and pain.
From what I have gleaned going into the surgery they thought it was going to be a fix, a good as new scenario. It was a fix but not even close to good as new. It's was a fix like a hip replacement is a fix for someone who can no longer walk, sure they walk again but it's not the same as new!
The irony is that for several of my friends the surgery was described as a faster alternative to intense physiotherapy but not better than physiotherapy, so they really had the surgery as a sort of shortcut! A couple of them who had the surgery, and due to complications, ended up doing more physiotherapy than they would have done if they didn't have the surgery!
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon - bratblue - 04-15-2015
On that note I have a mate who deals with all sorts of specialists every day. His thoughts are that there are two types of doctors, those who look after patients and those who look after themselves. Mostly if you go to see a surgeon he'll recommend surgery as that how they make their money. The amount of surgery in Aus compared to Japan is staggering.
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon - cookie2 - 04-15-2015
(04-15-2015, 12:11 AM)Professer E link Wrote: I just want a fair dinkum, honest 4 quarter effort.
If we don't at least get that Prof, the last shred of credibility for this playing group will be gone - at least for me it will.
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon - ItsOurTime - 04-15-2015
Isn't he having surgery at the end of the year? So it's less about if but when.
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon - LP - 04-15-2015
It would be nice to hear from DOA about this?