(09-08-2020, 09:55 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:We didn't listen? Is that you Dan?

(09-08-2020, 10:04 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Leaders DO NOT do that, they lead, they take charge, they do what they know is in the public's best interest... and you never trust the public at large -- plenty of ripper folks but enough c0ckheads to fck it up for everyone else. NZ didn't hope, or pray, or wait - bang, both times Jacinda was onto it regardless of what people thought... and this a month out from elections - she risked being unpopular but knew what was best for the population and fckn jumped on it.

If Dan holds firm on this, risks being unpopular... well, better late than never but he will still cop flack for his slow response and the subsequent costs.

(09-08-2020, 10:24 AM)kruddler link Wrote:As a collective? Did we?

I know i've done my part, but i know not everyone else has.

You want him to name the individuals? Or is this a 'team game'.

(09-08-2020, 09:28 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Right from the get-go of the lockdowns I was really impressed with Dan, ScoMo and other States... not so much NSW which fckd up the whole Ruby Princess thing but they quickly learned from it.

When the first stage 4 was relaxed things looked pretty good. Oz (and the Kiwis) was the envy of the world.

Then around 90% of international returns were funneled through Melbourne. And so the sh1t show commenced... our Ruby Princess (hotel quarantines) ended up being far worse than NSW and much worse in handling. AND the Grand Canyon issues in Aged Care burst forth.

What really, really surprised me -- and I'm still none the wiser why -- was that Dan didn't leap on escalating numbers the 2nd time like he did the first time. He sat on his hands for some inexplicable reason and waited... and waited... and waited until we got into the 600s re daily new cases - the horse had bolted and was having a ball, quarantining had failing and our elderly were being kicked in the guts.

Incompetent quarantining was a major contributor. Did we not learn from the NSW Ruby Princess experience? Who was responsible for overseeing hotel quarantining? Aged Care? Who was the accountable one, the one in command, boots on the ground at the coal face assessing the every detail and on top of it all?

Now Vic officials and the ADF are involved in Sydney in teaching we Vics how to trace efficiently. Apparently our tracing was sub standard... how come? Who is responsible for such a dreadful error that has literally cost lives, business, employment, mental health and the state's economy - big time.

Seems we're finally reining in the figures and Stage 3 is in sight. And hopefully stage 2 by Christmas and the entire nation on just about the same page with borders open.

Dan commented that the buck stops with him and he is ultimately responsible. So he has to root out those accountable for the huge stuff ups and give them the flick, and if that, in fact means himself... so be it.

However, the Feds could and should have done more. It started out all cozy with a bromance between Dan and ScoMo but now it has degenerated into a political stoush. That's cr@p and cheap and plain opportunistic and does not serve the community.

In the future I really believe that the Federal Govt should take command of a pandemic and assign the states to administering and implementing the strategy with Fed help (which means ADF/BIOhaz teams running the show).

The upside of all this -- bearing in mind we were warned of this years ago and did fck all -- there will be lessons learned and a national strategy in place to leap on any such eventuality in the future... with a nationally co-ordinated approach - that means, ScoMO, take fckn charge knackers, step up to the plate. AND there must be a national standard put in place for security company's PLUS much, much, much more attention to protecting our vulnerable/aged - get those sleazy profiteers out of Aged Care.

(09-08-2020, 10:02 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:It matters a lot - Cedar Meats, hotel quarantine, f... ups in contract tracing = incompetent.

A blind monkey throwing darts at a board would get more things right.

(09-09-2020, 03:20 AM)LP link Wrote:I notice the Oxford Vaccine has been pout on hold after a serious allergic reaction or side-effect suffered by a trial participant. These sorts of delays usually add months, and it if not understood it can lead to a trial being cancelled, it'll be interesting to see what sort of impact it has in the current urgent environment.

This is typical, and why it is very wise to be nervous or sceptical of rushed solutions.

(09-09-2020, 03:44 AM)PaulP link Wrote:So, so true. Beware the Trump magic vaccine, coming to you direct from the Nick Riviera centre for infectious disease.

(09-09-2020, 03:20 AM)LP link Wrote:I notice the Oxford Vaccine has been pout on hold after a serious allergic reaction or side-effect suffered by a trial participant. These sorts of delays usually add months, and if not understood it can lead to a trial being cancelled, it'll be interesting to see what sort of impact it has in the current urgent environment.

This is typical, and why it is very wise to be nervous or sceptical of rushed solutions.