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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 09-08-2020

Seriously, it doesnt matter anymore.  Its here now.  The security firms skimmed money off the top, and hired bargain basement staff.

That is the epitome of not giving a fork.

Ditto the returned travellers, who were not satisfied with 2 weeks in a hotel room at the expense of the tax payer.

At the end of the day, its not about this anymore.

Some of the leading voices are doctors calling for an end to the lockdowns are bleeding money via their private consulting rooms.  What does that tell you?  They have a vested interest in not being locked down anymore.

Who can you actually trust?  The bloke who is in charge, trying to implore people to help get the numbers down?  Or the ones who talk about how people arent taking their health seriously as the numbers of referals to private rooms have dropped.  Its a joke.  These guys only care about their hip pockets.  Yet, that was caused this mess to begin with.  500 doctors all signed a petition.  All of them practising at places like Cabrini, Epworth, Mulgrave private hospitals.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 09-08-2020

(09-08-2020, 07:23 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Trusting us or trusting the Security firms "HE" hired which used Whatsapp to onboard guards with little or no training? I am not necessarily calling for his head, I think he will be judged by the very people he has locked up. I also suggested a number of posts ago that I also think this saga will take its toll on him and he may pull the pin for his own well being.
Also, I apologise for for the DH jibe, that was unnecessary.

Apology accepted.

No doubt it is taking a toll on him. You can see it in how he carries himself.
You can see he is busting his butt to get us all through this and everytime he thinks he's got it licked, us Victorians start a protest, or start a riot with cops, or some other stupid $hit that makes his life a whole lot harder.

Look, i know this hits close to home for you and i'm not trying to make light of the horrible situation that has come from it all.
I think plenty of heads should roll for what happened, but i think there is A LOT of misdirected anger and he is, unfairly IMHO, copping the brunt of it.

I've said before that there is probably a bunch of managers/supervisors/underlings that are more to blame than him in this situation. He didn't personally hire the company, nor train the people, nor did he personally oversee it. Others did and they should be blamed.

Ultimately though, it was us and our failure to do as we were told that was the issue, not the incompetence of the security guard in question.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - bratblue - 09-08-2020

To get anywhere near the end steps we'll have to lock the borders, especially to NSW so we don't get the virus that we gave them. A certain irony there.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 09-08-2020

Right from the get-go of the lockdowns I was really impressed with Dan, ScoMo and other States... not so much NSW which fckd up the whole Ruby Princess thing but they quickly learned from it.

When the first stage 4 was relaxed things looked pretty good. Oz (and the Kiwis) was the envy of the world.

Then around 90% of international returns were funneled through Melbourne. And so the sh1t show commenced... our Ruby Princess (hotel quarantines) ended up being far worse than NSW and much worse in handling. AND the Grand Canyon issues in Aged Care burst forth.

What really, really surprised me -- and I'm still none the wiser why -- was that Dan didn't leap on escalating numbers the 2nd time like he did the first time. He sat on his hands for some inexplicable reason and waited... and waited... and waited until we got into the 600s re daily new cases - the horse had bolted and was having a ball, quarantining had failing and our elderly were being kicked in the guts.

Incompetent quarantining was a major contributor. Did we not learn from the NSW Ruby Princess experience? Who was responsible for overseeing hotel quarantining? Aged Care? Who was the accountable one, the one in command, boots on the ground at the coal face assessing the every detail and on top of it all?

Now Vic officials and the ADF are involved in Sydney in teaching we Vics how to trace efficiently. Apparently our tracing was sub standard... how come? Who is responsible for such a dreadful error that has literally cost lives, business, employment, mental health and the state's economy - big time.

Seems we're finally reining in the figures and Stage 3 is in sight. And hopefully stage 2 by Christmas and the entire nation on just about the same page with borders open.

Dan commented that the buck stops with him and he is ultimately responsible. So he has to root out those accountable for the huge stuff ups and give them the flick, and if that, in fact means himself... so be it.

However, the Feds could and should have done more. It started out all cozy with a bromance between Dan and ScoMo but now it has degenerated into a political stoush. That's cr@p and cheap and plain opportunistic and does not serve the community.

In the future I really believe that the Federal Govt should take command of a pandemic and assign the states to administering and implementing the strategy with Fed help (which means ADF/BIOhaz teams running the show).

The upside of all this -- bearing in mind we were warned of this years ago and did fck all -- there will be lessons learned and a national strategy in place to leap on any such eventuality in the future... with a nationally co-ordinated approach - that means, ScoMO, take fckn charge knackers, step up to the plate. AND there must be a national standard put in place for security company's PLUS much, much, much more attention to protecting our vulnerable/aged - get those sleazy profiteers out of Aged Care.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 09-08-2020

You know why Dan didn't jump into the next stage of lockdown straight away? Because of the backlash he was receiving from the public. People were angry. They were scared. Businesses would crumble.

He waited, he hoped, he prayed. BUT, we didn't listen and the numbers kept going the wrong way.

So he was too lenient, for our benefit.

Now, he is deemed as being too harsh.....again for our benefit as we don't listen.

He is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 09-08-2020

We didn't listen? Is that you Dan?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 09-08-2020

(09-08-2020, 07:16 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I know what you mean, but do you see what i mean and why dan is blaming victorians?

As i said before. Dans biggest issue was trusting us to do the right thing. We didn't......and now we are calling for his head because we didn't do what we were told.


My 5yo can join dots better.

It is the biggest screw up in Australian public health history.

And who sat at the head of the totem?

That known micro manager. The guy who took 7 years to complete a BA then went straight into the political butt licking game....

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 09-08-2020

(09-08-2020, 07:29 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Seriously, it doesnt matter anymore.  Its here now.  The security firms skimmed money off the top, and hired bargain basement staff.

That is the epitome of not giving a fork.

Ditto the returned travellers, who were not satisfied with 2 weeks in a hotel room at the expense of the tax payer.

At the end of the day, its not about this anymore.

Some of the leading voices are doctors calling for an end to the lockdowns are bleeding money via their private consulting rooms.  What does that tell you?  They have a vested interest in not being locked down anymore.

Who can you actually trust?  The bloke who is in charge, trying to implore people to help get the numbers down?  Or the ones who talk about how people arent taking their health seriously as the numbers of referals to private rooms have dropped.  Its a joke.  These guys only care about their hip pockets.  Yet, that was caused this mess to begin with.  500 doctors all signed a petition.  All of them practising at places like Cabrini, Epworth, Mulgrave private hospitals.

It matters a lot - Cedar Meats, hotel quarantine, f... ups in contract tracing = incompetent.

A blind monkey throwing darts at a board would get more things right.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 09-08-2020

(09-08-2020, 09:41 AM)kruddler link Wrote:You know why Dan didn't jump into the next stage of lockdown straight away? Because of the backlash he was receiving from the public. People were angry. They were scared. Businesses would crumble.

He waited, he hoped, he prayed. BUT, we didn't listen and the numbers kept going the wrong way.

So he was too lenient, for our benefit.

Now, he is deemed as being too harsh.....again for our benefit as we don't listen.

He is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

Leaders DO NOT do that, they lead, they take charge, they do what they know is in the public's best interest... and you never trust the public at large -- plenty of ripper folks but enough c0ckheads to fck it up for everyone else. NZ didn't hope, or pray, or wait - bang, both times Jacinda was onto it regardless of what people thought... and this a month out from elections - she risked being unpopular but knew what was best for the population and fckn jumped on it.

If Dan holds firm on this, risks being unpopular... well, better late than never but he will still cop flack for his slow response and the subsequent costs.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 09-08-2020

Cedar meats was handled well.

They released that genomic sequencing graph and it show that they shut that spread down very quickly.

The Rydges hotel quarantine? Not so good, but that's what you get when you use cab drivers as security.