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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 09-01-2020

(09-01-2020, 07:11 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Sure do, USS Kitty Hawk. I also remember the refuelling ship USS Ponchatoula (had to look up Wiki to check the spelling!!!). A few of us hung out with blokes from the coast guard vessell USCGC Midgett.

That (Kitty Hawk) was the radio call sign name for the Apollo 14 mission command module in 1971 .... chosen by the first American in space (Al Shepard) when he landed on the moon, a navy guy.  Fits in with the time period.  Thanks Baggers !!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 09-03-2020

Here is a grim left-field turn up for the fans of urgent and swift unrestricted re-opening, ........... mold!

It turns out that many in the food and beverage industry, as well as those locking down CBD office blocks and schools, were a bit too quick to abandon ship when the Isolation curfew hit.

They made hay while the sun shone, maximising profits to the very last second, before express leaving the building and forgetting to do a bit of basic maintenance before turning off the lights, like emptying the bins, dumping the deep fryer oil, or closing the window.

As such many restaurateurs and building supervisors around the globe are returning to find food facilities over-run with mold, cooling towers overloaded with legionnaire's disease, air-conditioning ducts full of mushroom spores and pests of all sorts having entered the building.

Fans of the resumption are being warned to be very very careful in the first few days and weeks of the re-open, not to be too quick to resume dinner dates and office parties.

The safe play seems to be do it the good old fashioned Best of British Officer way and bring it up the rear! Wink

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 09-08-2020

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/terry-mccrann/terry-mccrann-victorias-premier-must-quit-over-his-governments-ineptitude/news-story/5c61be1c41f282439074d267b749b83d

How come Daniel Andrews did not resign as Premier of Victoria on Sunday?

This is not posed as a rhetorical question or just to have a cheap shot.

His immediate resignation is the simple, unarguable and utterly undeniable logic of the fact that he has presided over the greatest public policy catastrophe in modern Australian history.

I am not talking only or even mostly about the direct failures in relation to the virus — the, to put it bluntly if brutally, 675 deaths, and counting.

But of the massive economic and financial — as well as similarly massive personal and health — havoc that Andrews has been mandatorily imposing, and will continue to impose, on the state and its 6.5 million citizens as the “cure” for his and his government’s stunning failure.

Let us be very and again undeniably clear: Sunday was all and only about incompetent government making all 6.5 million Victorians pay, and pay a crushing price for its governance failure.

If there were any accountability, if Andrews possessed the slightest shred of self-awareness of his own failure, how could he not resign?

What, it was so absolutely vital that the person who had presided over the catastrophe, was the only one who could preside over the even more devastating journey out of it?

It’s not even like the captain of the Titanic demanding that he and only he could command the lifeboats, pulling away from the sinking ship.
No, it’s much worse than that. Andrews is like that captain demanding that we entrust to him the management of even getting into the lifeboats and — hopefully — clearing the ship in the first place before it sinks.

And indeed no; not even demanding we entrust him, but just taking the right to do so. I’m the captain and you will do what I command.

The facts of the catastrophe are raw and simply undeniable. They are not a matter of subjective opinion or projection.

Victoria has had a staggering 89 per cent of the all the virus deaths in Australia. That is only “so far”; the percentage will continue to rise inexorably above 90 per cent.

Perhaps the Premier can tell us where he thinks it will finish? Indeed, will he feel vindicated in his management of his own catastrophe if he can keep it below 95 per cent?

Almost all of those Victorian deaths — something like 655 of the 675, and counting — were a direct result of the criminal negligence of the quarantine debacle.

It’s not me claiming that, it’s what the Premier’s own Chief Health Officer, Brett Sutton, has said; that genomic tracing indicated that almost all the cases in the “second wave” came from that source.

The quarantine catastrophe was a direct result of decisions made by the Andrews Government.

The cases and deaths alone were bad enough; what has made it worse, so much worse — in terms of governance failure — is the economic, financial and broader destruction, seeping deep into the lives of all 6.5 million Victorians, that the Premier has mandated.

That he has mandated, arguably unnecessarily and even punitively.
It doesn’t seem to have even occurred to the Premier — silly me, of course it wouldn’t occur to him — that all this devastation he has mandated is precisely the most crushing and irrefutable condemnation of his and the government’s inexcusable failure.

In any functioning parliamentary democracy, the premier would have held ministers of the relevant decision-making departments accountable and sacked them.

By not sacking them, the Premier has assumed to himself their governance culpability and should have resigned.

It is of course not his style; as Premier he has never held anyone inside his tent accountable for even misfeasance far less malfeasance — “high crimes and misdemeanours”, to quote from the US constitution, which now look like petty theft in comparison with this governance catastrophe.

He of course blusters and deflects in the embarrassingly childish way he goes about it. “It’s not for me to comment”; “that’s for the quarantine inquiry”; I’m totally focused on fixing things” etc.

And what of his supine, silent, spineless, uniformly incompetent cabinet?

I’m reminded of the Spitting Image skit of Margaret Thatcher presiding over a dinner with her (all-too similar) cabinet.

The waiter asks how does she like her steak? Rare she replies. And what about the vegetables? They’ll have the same as me.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 09-08-2020

He just lurches from one disaster to the next ... but he's "grateful" to all Victorians.

Great comfort. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - bratblue - 09-08-2020

I read today that the health department was described by an epidemologist as a empty shell compared to all other states. Dan is a disgrace and Jenny M the same as they're both in the same condition as the health department.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 09-08-2020

(09-08-2020, 03:55 AM)bratblue link Wrote:I read today that the health department was described by an epidemologist as a empty shell compared to all other states. Dan is a disgrace and Jenny M the same as they're both in the same condition as the health department.
Sounds like the Victorian contact tracing system would be worthy of some close independent scrutiny.  I recall that the state government also rejected offers of assistance from outside experts in this area some time ago now. Were they trying to cover up something?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-08-2020

5 cases a day or less is a hard ask given NSW cant achieve that over time, reckon that target needs to be reviewed.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 09-08-2020

(09-08-2020, 04:15 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:5 cases a day or less is a hard ask given NSW cant achieve that over time, reckon that target needs to be reviewed.
Do you get the impression that other states are looking for ways to move out of restrictions whereas Vic continues to look for reasons to keep or extend them? I get the feeling that Dan A is paranoid and has little faith in the people and systems involved in managing the pandemic here? Not making excuses for him btw.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 09-08-2020

(09-08-2020, 04:09 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Sounds like the Victorian contact tracing system would be worthy of some close independent scrutiny.  I recall that the state government also rejected offers of assistance from outside experts in this area some time ago now. Were they trying to cover up something?
Ive been told thats ADF run.

Meanwhile, my mate an ambo driver tested positive and was in lockdown for over 7 days before HE contacted THEM to do the contact tracing.

Lucky he was responsible enough to stay put.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-08-2020

(09-08-2020, 04:25 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Do you get the impression that other states are looking for ways to move out of restrictions whereas Vic continues to look for reasons to keep or extend them? I get the feeling that Dan A is paranoid and has little faith in the people and systems involved in managing the pandemic here? Not making excuses for him btw.
Dan is trying to be Jacinda A from NZ but forgets he is running a state not a country.....I have been a supporter of the harsh lock down like what happened in NZ but you need to be able to change your thinking on the run and learn as you go and Dan seems like he has set the course on auto pilot and doesnt want to alter it for fear of being seen as wrong if things change.
He has bunkered in after ScoMo, Frymo have dissed him and its a bit of Labor vs Liberal politics now hampering the recovery.
Watched Q and A last night and the head of the AMA doesnt agree with Brett Suttons thinking so I'm wondering where Sutton is getting his advice from....next time we need a more national approach rather than the State by State approach IMO.